I'd rather if beth stayed the hell away from the franchise, focusing on TES5 and let Obsidian do Fallouts instead.

I would take a meaningfull, deep and not simplistic role-play playing game over boring dungeon crawl any day. Diablo is there for my daily dose of grindfest.
That's not a "oh mighty nostalgia elitist" speaking there, just a common sense of mine. :whistling:



Does the Dark Knight top Batman & Robin? Hell, I am sure it does. Even for the second time. :celebration:

As opposed to going through the exact same game again and getting the *gasp* same end slides.



Appealing to majority opinion is a logical fallacy. Though posters do represent the fanbase as a whole, where else will you get such a large sample size?



A.. captivating storyline? Well, captivating in the sense that you are trapped in a bad plot you have no way to alter, I guess.

It was cool to watch. But that's really all it was.

In New Vegas I got to help religious ghouls with rocket ships blast off to find a place to call their own. Not nearly as cool to watch, but better to interact with and influence the outcome of.

First off I never said the Fallout 3 and Oblivion stories are great, I said they were better. Mediocre is better then bad. And I loved them in spite of some OK storylines. And I do think New Vegas is a GOOD game, but it should be a great game, an EPIC game, but it is not. It falls short, and thus a dissappointment.

Bugs aside, it lacks the personality of the other Bethesda game I enjoyed so much. The questing in NV is lacking substance and energy, the battles in quests is short and uneventful. Often when you finish a quest, you don't even get acknowledgement from the NPC who gave you the lame quest. Giving you the feeling of a dead sequence of events, and that they didn't remember that a quest was given and you helped them. It seems like the game does not know where you are in the game who is dead, who is alive. I killed all the Fiend leaders and have not seen a Fiend since level 22, but still at level 30, I keep getting dialouge about how bad the Fiend problem is. Um they are all dead and are no longer a problem, I have not seen 1 in 20 gameplay hours. But the dead end feeling persists. I help Jacobstown, (oh yeah I like Marcus, one of the few along with The King) chase the mercs (60 seconds) cured the nightkin (8 minutes), the end. Guess I don't have to go back to Jacobstown to see Marcus ever again. The End.

And many of you keep metioning all these choices you have. If you really feel you have real choices, I have a wind brahmin to sell ya, for all your caps. Where? When? What? The choices are doing the same quest for 3 different factions, but it's still the same quest, and that is not a choice. And many are mentioning the endgame slides of meaninglessness. I can take out all factions by myself, but I need to get the King's approval or talk the Khans out of not fighting with Caesar or get the Boomers to toss bombs at the dam when needed. In the end, you can line up every faction on the Dam and I would go through them all, so I need them Why? Just to say I helped the Whoever's faction.

As for some other issues, does anyone like the fact that all the map markers are rest stops and 90 seconds of exploration? Even Hidden Valley is only 2 small map areas, and vault 22 is 5 very small levels.

Does anyone have an issue with the lame schematics? No dart gun, no railway rifle WOO-WOO, no deathclaw gaunlet, no nuka grenade (BOO) and since it takes 5 cherrybombs for a bottlecap mine, none of those either. I don't need the same weapons, but can you give me something new, geez.

And I really am not liking the guns and weapons, way too many 1 shot at a time rifles (Brush Gun, Trail Carbine, Service Rifle, Marksman Carbine, This Machine, All American) And if you like enegry weps, good luck. And if you like automatic rifles (not SMG's, I said rifles) like me, you don't have anything for you to use. The assault carrbine is a pee shooter, and if I wanted a 15 lb. light MG I would just grab a Minigun. I like me some controled bursts with an automatic rifle, tight quarters or in large areas they do the job.

And can you overpower anymore weapons. Sniper Rifles, Ballistic fists and others are just too powerful. Killing anything without effort.

The scientist from freeside? She's in-game and talks about Benny and Yes-Man.

Oh Snapple!

I always enjoy people using examples like those. "You can't open that door!" "Actually, in addition to the lockpicking and science options, there's a hidden key."

People assume because they missed something, it's empty. There's a few dangling threads, but there's a lot that are heavily explored.

I love fallout 3 and oblivion at first i thought i didnt like this game but then i started playing and really getting into it then i realized that this game is serious buisness everything i did in this game was enjoyable getting some of the achievments were kind of hard but leveling up and finding kick ass guns was part of the fallout experience and now the dlc coming out good news sometimes people need to find [censored] to complain about.

You not liking the New Vegas story doesn't mean it's bad.



You do find out who reprogrammed Yes-Man. Look more. Your complaint is inaccurate, and thus dismissed. Keep looking.



He finds code to make himself more assertive at the end of the game. Since you're the only one who can actually get into the Lucky 38 without being mobbed by securitrons, it isn't exactly a pressing issue prior to that.



It's mentioned in the epilogue, so it does have an effect. The effect isn't immediate because the fiends are a largely decentralized group of drugged out crazies.



It's a minor location, I don't really see what you're complaining about. It has more content than any location other than Rivet City or Megaton in Fallout 3.



Meaninglessness? Those are the ways your choices affected the world. It's a whole hell of a lot more than you get in Fallout 3.



Because you're the protagonist and have plot armor. This is true of literally every shooter or RPG, and thus isn't an argument.



As opposed to power stations, diners, and big empty buildings full of raiders and super mutants?



In other words, "If you want a machine gun.. and ignore all the machine guns in the game.. there aren't any machine guns to use!!!"



Gobi is the most powerful weapon, followed by the plasma caster. Though if you're playing on a high difficulty with hardcoe on you'll be in for more of a challenge.

Probably the best post i have come across on this thread.

Actually, that is not true. Oblivion has plenty of new books of its own, but it does borrow some from Daggerfall and Morrowind just how Morrowind borrowed some from Daggerfall and just how TES V will borrow some from all three of them. Including all official content, about 140 books were introduced into the series through Oblivion, 220 through Morrowind, and 90 through Daggerfall. It's a collective process, but of course most people don't actually read the lore and believe false statements. Over 80% of the people who worked on Daggerfall (they even brought back a couple major ones for Oblivion's development) still work at Bethesda Game Studios today and MK still writes for Bethesda, occasionally. It's been mainly the same people working at Bethesda with new people being added since 1996. Bethesda's development team nearly doubled in size after Oblivion's release.

Who? I am liked and get no Dialogue from any of the fort dwellers about it

She stands outside of the Lucky 38.

She's not in the fort also you may have possibly already spoken with her about another quest (this is all I will say in the general discussion forum due to potential spoilers).

thanks

Your welcome

Wait, it was Emily? I thought it was the one with the 'hawk.

Nope, it was Emily.

Fallout 1 ends when you finish the game
Fallout 2 events after the end of the game doesnt reflect your game after defeating Horrigan (Arroyo is still in ruins if you go back)
Fallout 3 ends if you dont have Broken Steel (or if you let Project Purity blow up)
Fallout New Vegas have a lots of endings and events, is impossible to play after the Battle in The Hoover Dam, and its ending slides sequences reminds me of the Fallout 2 ones

Was this post written by a 10 year old?

"This post" meaning yours?

If so, you shouldn't be on the forums.

If you were referring to another post in the thread, you're breaking the forum rules, and can be warned with a posting ability suspension.

You may want to re-read, or possibly, read for the first time, the forum rules.

If you aren't going to contribute to the discussion, please don't spam.

Wasn't impressed by it. It actually made be grown with the level of cheesiness. Felt like I was watching one of those one hit wonder action films that try to bank on one "epic" last battle scene. Not a fallout ending at all. The end slides also fell way short too. So FO3 original ending was pretty disappointing to me.

First off, while I've liked some of what Obsidian has done in the past I'm far from a devoted fan. In fact, up until Oblivion I was much more of a devoted Bethesda fan (bought every TES game on release day since Arena in '94). That said, New Vegas is probably my favorite game of the past couple of years at least, and my favorite RPG in recent memory.


IMO the story and RPG elements in NV are much, much improved over Oblivion and NV. In fact, my opinion of the RPG aspects or Oblivion is that they were bordering on broken. :shrug:


I think the factions are "unlikable" because in real life and in more mature story writing people and factions tend to be a mixed bag of merits and flaws. I think this is an attempt to move away from the black and white, good vs. evil cliche that's present in most game stories.


I disagree that the weapons are bad. Not sure why they got rid of the schematics. It didn't bother me that much, though...I personally didn't use them all that much in FO3.


So, everything not related to the main quest in FO3 and Oblivion was also filler, then? The only real difference is that NV tracks your rep with these factions. That doesn't automatically make them important to the main quest.


There's nothing saying that you need to build up your rep with a faction simply because it's tracked. In some cases the only reason it's tracked is to determine if the faction is hostile to you or not. I think you're assuming that your rep with every faction must be important simply because it's being tracked. I personally liked the fact that most of the humans belonged to a faction...especially the outlaws. It made more sense to me than the "generic raiders" in FO3 that just attacked every non-"raider" on sight but didn't attack anyone else that is a "raider."


This actually made me mad. I worked through all of those quests in the MQ only to have my thunder stolen by this ridiculous deus ex machina that I had nothing to do with. It all came down to Liberty Prime. If I had been instrumental in LP's reactivation I wouldn't have minded as much, but as it was it was a huge let-down for me. I hate to say it because I liked FO3 quite a bit, but the main quest's plot felt more like a kid's cartoon than a mature sci-fi story to me.

My opinion about the factions is:

I dont like "Nice guys against the Bad guys" idea, i dont think if fit very well in the Fallout Unverse, since FO1, there was good faction, evil faction, and neutral faction, the three of them have their light and dark sides, ( The BOS and NCR are the best examples of this)

I am still waiting to find any good in any of the relevant factions. Caeser is just a frikin lunatic (very bad guy), NCR is an overgrown war machine (bad guys) House is a bleephole (bad guy) and the BOS selfish bleeps looking out for themselves, and hording any weapons for themselves (not totally evil, but not good)

So, once Benny has met his maker, and I got my revenge, why am I helping anyone? because the do it yourself questline is no fun either.

Oh yeah, I hate the endgame slides, let me keep going. Ending the game was bad in FO3 (prior to Broken steel) and still svcks in FO:NV.
Playing 100 hrs or so to get a few different JPEGS and a different Hellboy narrative at the end is not an ending, more like a waste of 100 hrs.

This is because the reality is that no large group of people will ever be purely good or evil. Caesar isn't a bad guy, although he is a bit of a megalomaniac, as is House. He sees what he's doing as necessary. He thinks he's leading the world to a better place. At the end of the day Julius Caesar was the same type of person. The NCR is trying to emulate pre-war ideals of democracy and civil rights and running into the same problems with corruption and paralyzing bureaucracy that real-life democracies have. House believes in a better future through scientific innovation and pure logic. They're not inherently good or bad. It's not your typical "white knights versus the hideous demons" plot. I can see some people not liking this, but to me it's a refreshing injection of maturity. The main factions in NV are really evocative of a lot of what the real world has dealt/is dealing with.


Because somebody is going to win and it's going to affect everybody. Your character gets to decide who he/she is going to support. What would have been so bad about the Enclave controlling the water purifier in FO3? Heck, in FO3 you weren't really even needed outside of having the purifier password. Liberty Prime does all of the important work. It felt pretty pointless to me.

Regarding revenge, my character didn't hunt down Benny for revenge. He figured that eventually whoever wanted him dead would find out he wasn't and his only choice was to confront these people directly.


What would you rather have seen in an ending?