I don't mind turn-based. "Up close and personal" (aka ooh shinies, precious!) is overrated. :foodndrink:

Turn based Fallout,,,,,, ah the ol times

Having played and enjoyed all of the Fallouts, I'll say that I'm happy with the decision to move away from turn-based. It's not that I don't like turn-based combat, it's just that for me, personally, I find it less immersive.

I also think the nasty elitism needs to stop. If some people started the series with Fallout 3, there's no need for the quotes around fans and to infer that they have less refined tastes as a result. You should be happy a lot of folks started playing with Fallout 3, because if they hadn't, we wouldn't be playing Fallout New Vegas or any other Fallout title.

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Buyer's remorse?

What?

also, im not elitist, i just want someday a Turn Based Fallout again, but it aint happening

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God I hope not. I wouldn't buy it. Couldn't stand Fallout and Fallout 2's gameplay.



I don't see why you put "fans" in quotation marks. Because people liked Fallout 3 better than the originals or started with Fallout 3, they are not to be considered fans of the series? Cool logic bro.

By the way, I played the originals, not sure why people think they are so good. Good story with awful gameplay in my opinion.

The story was awesome, and the gameplay was awesome for its time. If people today would just stop playing COD..then maybe people could appreciate old peices of majestic art like Fallout 1 and 2.

I'm enjoying NV more than any game I've played in years, so...sorry?


I love that people point at other Obsidian games being buggy (I personally didn't find them to be all that buggy, but whatever) without noticing that Bethesda was in charge of QA and the release date for the game. Lol.

Yeah, because everyone is a fan of call of duty....get over yourself. There is little to appreciate about the originals except good writing. Please, tell me what was so great about it except the writing.

*Shrug*
I won't be surprised if Bethesda or Obsidian decides to create a Fallout game for a portable system (like the PSP) that implements turn based strategy like Fallout 1 and 2.

1. The gameplay

2. The RPG mechanics.

3. The graphics. (For that time period.)

4. The scope of the world.

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Thanks.

1. Gameplay was very subpar, and just involved you sitting there watching your guy aim and shoot (instead of you doing that) and move. Point is, less control than in a First Person or Third Person game.

2. Slightly better selection of perks, and skills

3. Graphics were decent (for that time period). Nothing ground breaking or good.

4. Sounds like a writing thing to me.

It would be usless to bicker to the end, so we are both entitled to our opinions

It was subpar if you only enjoy games that are action-oriented. There are other types of games that don't involve the player physically aiming a gun at things. Most older RPGs didn't have action gameplay at all, so I guess I'm asking, "compared to what?"


Nah, more than that. Bethesda totally dumbed-down the RPG system for Fallout 3. It was ok, but half of the skills had little to no use and a lot of the aspects of the game mechanics that were governed by skills and attributes were simply tossed out the window. Not to mention damage types and armor penetration. Also, the system was created for those games. You have to give some credit for that...Bethesda took their system and "streamlined" it.

I agree with Greatest Alive here. Also, since the graphics/artstyle were mentioned, may I point out that Daggerfall had A 3D game engine 1 year before the first Fallout game and 2 years before Fallout 2, which both had 2D engines. Bethesda had better graphics even back in indie days. As for the art style, it is a very opinion-based thing, but I personally can't stand the cartoon look of the original Fallouts. Bethesda's art style is far more detailed and sleek, in my opinion. I can't stand Fallout 2/New Vegas' "bug suit", as I call it, and prefer what I perceive to be the cooler looking Enclave armor from Fallout 3, for example.

I put fans in quotation marks because those particular "fans" seem to think they know what's best for Fallout. What they usually recommend is so far from the spirit of a Fallout game (kind of like how FO3 was in some ways) that it really makes me wonder and worry about the future of Fallout. I really feel like if we went down the path they requested (no level caps, playing past the ending, lacking of shades of gray, etc) that the Fallout in the future will just be a mere shell of what it was in the past. And most of us who started with the originals do not want this to happen. We want Fallout to succeed while still catering to the fans that got it to where it is today, not forgetting about us and catering to people who just got into Fallout because they were drawn away from CoD by the hype of it.

Also, please note that I'm not talking about everyone who started with Fallout 3, and I'm definitely not talking about those who started with the originals but liked 3 more.

As opposed to every other kind of fan, huh...

We are all guilty of this.

I started with FO3 and yup, I am worried for Fallout's Future. I call my myself a "fan" becuase I have spent hours learning up on lore and what made Fallout 1 and 2 great.

This trend of modern gaming worries me badly. I think that this is why our industry is getting attacked on so many fronts; people think that all gamers are idiots who want everything to come easy.

No, I loved and still love FO3, it is worse than FNV, thats all.

I wonder if that really is your opinion or the opinion you picked up based on those around you on these forums. I don't mean to question the validity of one's opinion, but you really come off as the type of person I mentioned. You lack any true examples of why you prefer the originals and you seem to blindly believe they are better simply because they exist. Your reasons for preference show a lack of anolysis or true personal opinion, but they mirror exaggerated complaints, instead.

Well, if this is really the case, I'd consider you more of an actual fan seeing as you actually took time to look into the past of Fallout and realize why it was so great in the first place.

Most just seem to pickup Fallout 3, mindlessly play it, and seem to disregard that Fallout 1 and 2 even existed. There are still people who consider Fallout 3 to be the first game in the series, which makes me rage a little. It's kind of like some people who call New Vegas Fallout 3 New Vegas. :shakehead:

Also, I really am worried about the trend of gaming as well. The genre of FPS has already gone downhill (everything is either CoD, or wanting to be CoD), so I fear it's only a matter of time before the RPG genre enters the same fate.

I don't think anyone that likes turn-based is elitist, I think it's a fantastic gaming system. It was the way the person I quoted it phrased it that I found problematic is all.



There's no reason to glue the rose-tinted glasses to your face. I like the first two a lot, but it hasn't ruined other games for me. If you have some malfunction that disallows playing Call of Duty while simultaneously liking Fallout 1 and 2 well then I'm sorry for you, that must really limit your enjoyment of games. Probably better to not assume everyone has that same problem though or your same narrow tastes, because we don't.