greetings fellow prisoners,



I've noticed on these forums i often read stuff such as "mods will fix it" or "mods make this game worth while" or even at some points "Modders can do what Bethesdas cannot". I would like to address these issues.

First of all, "Mods will fix it" should never be an answer to any problem. I am a hardcoe PC gamer, but not everyone has the finances or resources for PC gaming, or simply dont like gaming on a PC. think of how you would feel if they suddenly gave consoles hundreds of dollars worth of DLC and updates that PCs would never get... that is the exact feeling you give console gamers when you state "Mods Will fix it".

Secondly "mods make the game worthwhile", if that is your opinion that is fine, but it is quite rude to those that have put thousands of hours into writing, developing, and testing Skyrim. they don't have the time or resources to include every feature every fan wants

and finally to those who say "Modders can do what bethesda can't", I am an amature modder myself, and we create very little from cratch, sure we can make custom scripts, new area, gear and the occasional quest, but that is nothing compared to what Bethesda does. we create stuff useing the tools they gave us, which makes things much easier. Bethesda has to do everything from Scratch, every Model, texture, animation, sound, and gameplay machanic they make from scratch. the mods we make are only made because Bethesda gave us the tools to do it, without them we couldn't do anything.



anyways ive got that off my chest, happy gaming

I don't think the game needs to be fixed. I do use some mods, but only because they add a few things that I want, not because I could not play the game without them.

I am the exact same way

I wonder how many modders could create a song in the Dragon language that not only unveils the Dragonborn prophecy but also matches the rhythm of the Elder Scrolls theme song.

Thank you for this.

I'm fed up to here (right up to here, I tell you!) with people tossing out hyperbolic statements about how bad the game is without mods.

This game needs to be "fixed" for people's tastes. The default game is Beth "fixed" version. Modders don't like some of the stuff Beth have done which, in some cases, is totally horrendously unbalance.

And yes, I agree with you OP. I currently am a console gamer, I acknowledge that PC is better for gaming, but I can't help but think that certain people have been absollutely spoiled by mods.

Just the other day I heard someone say they use a mod that disables fast travel. Really?

Fixed that for you.

I just thought it had to be said

If you think Beth is the only place that has talent and logic you must be living in Disneyland.

And it took courage to do so.

Bethesda have made what I consider a good game
Sadly they didn't make it just for me, they made it for lots of people, all of whom have different tastes
Mods help people create a game made just for them

Mods were never meant to fix the game- ever. But it`s come to the point that some parts of the game has had to be `fixed`. In fact, even the Devs would admit that they`ve left out some parts of the game because Modders can `fix it`. But they have fixed many things such as the ability to ride horses in 1st person, Followers working properly and even having having 1st person Finishers only in 1st person, etc, etc, etc. this is NO insult to Bethesda, they knew we`d do this. And I for one am thankful they gave us the ability to do it.


No it`s NOT rude to them at all. how dare you even make such an assumption. I find that Mods make the game worthwhile to ME. Without Mods, i wouldn`t buy the game. that is not rude to the developers.

Who made it possible to make mods? It was the DEVELOPERS. They MADE the CREATION KIT. use you r brain and stop trying find fault with the modder and those that use them.

The fact we use and love Mods is a nod of thanks to the Devs for their far thinking. In fact, some of us will go on the Mod forums to THANK devs for creating the CK. if you even bothered to go there you`d see.

Modders can do what bethesda cannot because Bethesda have their hands tied by such things as copyright and mature material, etc. And like I said, we have never forgotten that the ability to mod come from Bethesda.



Well i`m glad, becauise all you`ve done is made a lot of stupid accusations and assumptions that are completely wrong to get some mistaken crap off your chest. The whole reason we Mod is BECAUSE BETHESDA WANTS US TO. As a possible `modder` you should know better yourself. You need think more first before you write.

And I`m telling it to you like it has to be said.

Wow, and you accuse me of taking things out of context...

He's (assuming gender here, sorry if I'm wrong) actually someone who makes mods. Not a "possible 'modder'".

And it's quite dismissive of all the people who put countless hours into this game to say that you wouldn't bother playing their game if they didn't have mods. You're literally saying that the original product is so bad that you wouldn't bother getting it.

At no point does the OP attack people who use mods. He's talking about people who use mods and make sweeping statements about the game being unplayable without them.

yes, yes it did. I'm surprised that there are not any hate replies to your statement, I am also a console gamer have been since Nintendo so I have never been able to mod any game unless it was DLC or expansions.But the usual comments made by those who do now fall on deaf ears unless it's constructive and adds to a valid point.Mods are great but they only add to the game not make it better IMO.

Nah, it's a generally agreed upon fact that Beth couldn't balance their way out of a wet paper bag. Nor write themselves out of one either, for that matter But they can decorate it nicely

It's generally agreed?

Hallelujah!

Let's all go look at the giant document we all signed where we generally agreed on things that were and weren't- oh, wait a minute.... Now, where did I put that pesky document? I could have sworn it was somewhere around here...

In these forums, yes. There's a reason why FWE, Project Nevada, OOO and the other such mods are so popular. Skyrim isn't much better, but atleast they screwed up the level scaling less than in Oblivion.

WOW, woke up on the wrong side of the keyboard? What the OP is saying is true, I'm a console player, have no access to mods and the vanilla 360 game is just fine for me thanks.And what ever I cannot do in game(say RP a ranger) I do in my head and that has worked so far, but if I do want to make a little change then I exploit the rules of the game just enough so as to make it feel(for me) better TO ME.Mods are just additions to the game not tools for making it better, if Beth. thought everyone was thinking that way then I have my doubts that you PCers would have gotten the CK. but seeing that they look upon mods as additions you guys got your CK.

I play it vanilla. And it's great. At some point I will get around to modding and using mods but for now I'm not done with plain jane.

Honestly, the big point of the original post, was that some people can be incredibly rude with how they phrase the "mods will fix" everything under the sun comments.

But not all modders are alike. And not everyone who uses mods is alike. To each their own, and to all I say, have fun, eat, drink and be merry.

I didn't realize that the hundred or so people who frequent these forums spoke for the 7 million people who have played Skyrim.

Well, you learn something new everyday

But seriously, when i see the name Bethesda mentioned in the internet, it's usually followed with "bugs", "open world", "poor writing" or "poor balancing". In order of commonness. They have a certain reputation.

How about the "modders are doing what Bethesda SHOULD HAVE" arguments? There are, for example, blatent errors in quite a few wepon & armor settings (granted, often ones not craftable without modding, but still... that's just ONE small example.) Or the fact that modders managed to find more efficient code routing due to simple compiler settings?

Sure, Bethesda COULD have taken those things- they hardly require brilliance or creativity. But they did not take care of those things.

Mind you, I write code for a living, and not anything near as complex as Bethesda does. I know that even if you DO know about certain issues and have time to fix things, sometimes its better to put energy into developing more new stuff. I've no doubt Bethesda turned out an AMAZING product, have greatly enjoyed 300 hours of playtime, and hope to do another 300 at some point.

Why would someone find it rude when someone else say, "mods will fix it"? If someone is offended by this, they better take a good look at themselves in the mirror and check if they don't have some personal problems.

Exactly. It`s the personal problem of the OP if he wants to find offence.

But in reality it`s rude to nobody, least of all the Devs or they wouldn`t even have made the CK in the 1st place. In fact I`ve seen the odd Dev come on the Mod forum and congratualte Modders on their work and even employed them- One guy I actually know.