Not to mention that you get a free comedy show with each Dremora Lord summoning, as they relentlessly heckle your opponents while slicing them to ribbons.
-Loth

Uhh, read my quote? He clearly said a non-smithing, non-enchanting char can outdamage destruction.

Yes I do find the Dremora Lord to be very entertaining. The first few times I popped one out it had me laughing. I use them frequently now because destruction isn't powerful enough for me to survive against high level enemies without using other forms of magic.

Uhh, read my quote? He clearly said a non-smithing, non-enchanting char can outdamage destruction. I say it is impossible. The base dmg of a plain Daedric Sword is 14. Perks and skill can boost that to 250%. A power attack can boost that to 350%. Still 350% of 14 is not a really big number. It is the unholy combination of smithing (boosted by alchemy + enchanting) and stacking Fortify One Hand Weapon Enchantments that makes melee godlike. Smithing by iteself can raise the base dmg to 34 - at 100. But people are fortifying smithing up 300%+ on top of Fortifying Enchaning and Alchemy 100+. Eliminate all of the Fortify Enchantments/Smithing/Alchemy effects from Potions/Enchantments and melee weapons are no longer uber. Very strong - but not uber. Heck, if Bethesda really wanted to balance it set the Max bonus from any Forify Effect to 50%. Problem solved. No more one shotting Ancient Dragons.



Destruction beats the crap out of one hand with no smithing/enchantments. Learn how to play the game. Smack em with your dagger coated to Weakness to Poison and then weakness to shock posion. Then drink a mega fortify Destruction potion(crafted with your fortify alchemy gear) and unleash godlike 1000+ Thunderbolts. There are mechanics in the game to make Destruction super powered. Just like there are mechanics to make melee powerful. Just don't sit there and complain that plain Destruction by itself is not uber. Magic may not have smithing, but there are no weakness to Blades potions. Learn the mechanics and exploit them. Crafting in this game is where all the power is at- use it exploit it.

It's okay if everything is not equal. It's not required that you have the ability to kill something with magic at the same speed that you can kill them with a sword.

The only thing destruction mages want is to be on par with other playstyles. When I make a DiD character I want to be able to choose between melee, archery or magic and not just melee or archery. Get the point? Good.

You don't need enchanting to get 3 items with 40% more damage with "one handed weapons" though, you can just loot them starting from level 40.

No, it doesn't. Know more about Skyrim. A pure mage shouldn't need weapons, poisons or potions to do DESTRUCTION MAGIC! They never did before. But now magic is crap compared to previous games. Destruction at higher levels is a spam fest. Fact. Destruction should be "super powered" by default, its destruction, one of the most powerful magic types on Nirn. Play how you want certainly went out the window with Skyrim Magic.

Plus we never said it wasn't playable, just a boring spam fest.

Yhea - go play the game and tell me how long it takes you to farm a ring, necklace, boots and gauntlets of fortify Blade Skill 40% in Daedric.

*Player smokes some Crack*


Magic was uber in the other games because you had access to weakness to magic and weakness to *element* - spells. (You know those spells weakness to magic 100%for 3 seconds, followed by weakness to fire 100% for 2 seconds followed by Flame Hand amped up)

You still do have that combo, you just have to use poisons. Adapt. Or wait for a DLC, because I imagine that is what Bethesda is going to do. Or a modder.

By that logic my melee toon should need nothing more then a Long Sword to kick the crap out of the game. Why do I need to smith? Why do I need to enchant Fortify one hand? Why do I need restoration/alchemy to heal. Why do I need block, why do I need Armor?

I cant believe this is till going, I am a destruction mage, have no problems playing on master, I use alchemy and enchanting, as a warrior would use smithing, its a simple concept, that seems to slip everyones mind. I think its fine, but apparently, the people that complain about this game not having enough depth, complain about having to go IN DEPTH to make the skill more useful. Sad.

No, you should be able to play how you want, not use things that are out of character for your build. A problem never before seen in ES, except for Skyrim. Play how you want went out the window with Skyrim magic. Fact.

Its funny how you think your opinion is always fact.

More or less boring than repeating the same, wrong, "this is the way it is" posts on a message board 1,000 times?

No, you should be able to play how you want, not use things that are out of character for your build. A problem never before seen in ES, except for Skyrim. Play how you want went out the window with Skyrim magic. Fact.

You're forgetting a very important fact. Mages have to build mana as they level, while doing this they are weak, very weak, they die in two or three hits. I play on Master difficulty myself and I also play dead is dead characters (when I die in game I delete my character), mages are completely unviable here. They are killed in mere seconds. Even if you use alchemy and enchanting, your damage still isn't as good as a sneaky archer who doesn't use any trade skills. Your survivability isn't as good as a Warrior who puts all of his level ups into health and wears heavy armor while also possessing similar damage capability. Destruction svcks, its not a viable offensive skill compared to melee or archery, not even close.

No Elder Scrolls game was ever designed for a Dead Is Dead playstyle. It's no more of a problem or a fault that it doesn't work than the guy who complained that he couldn't play a PURE necromancer because he had no way to make the first dead body without using something other than necromancy. If you choose an extremely limited, extremely specific, and extremely rare playstyle, you're going to have to accept that some things in the game won't fit it exactly.

I finished both Morrowind and Oblivion playing a dead is dead character, both of them were destruction focused. In fact, destruction was one of the best ways to make a dead is dead character in the previous games.

I finished both Morrowind and Oblivion playing a dead is dead character, both of them were destruction focused. In fact, destruction was one of the best ways to make a dead is dead character in the previous games.

Like I said - the mechanics are there. Adapt. The melee crew has. Stop comparing a melee characer who is using every angle to boost his damage to a toon that is just using one skill - destruction.

Like I said - the mechanics are there. Adapt. The melee crew has. Stop comparing a melee characer who is using every angle to boost his damage to a toon that is just using one skill - destruction.

Its not about adapting. Destruction is the only direct damage based magical school, at higher levels its inadequate. No other major archetypes suffer from their main damage style being a spam fest at higher levels, on higher leveled enemies. You obviously cant "play how you want" anymore in regards to magic.