lol i love sarcasm, but honestly i dont think it matters what bethesda adds to the game, as long as they can keep it within the Lore of the game then it is fine

edit- and Senor Cinco we're good, no worries

You realize he was mocking the person I quoted, right?

Shouldn't have quoted, the advice I gave (above) was just good in general.

I'm sorry, from now on I'll just be "happy love Skyrim forever!" and toss around rainbows and puppies.

whats so exiting about swords? their just larger daggers with slower swing and higher base damage, and I can already one-shot most things with my dagger.

Im not saying its a bad thing at all. Disadvantage =/= bad. I woudld actually welcome it. As it stands right now, archers are just a [censored] in my backside as i take down the melee guys.

The last time I used a Crossbow was 500+ years ago in Morrowind..
500 years later they are extinct and bows are only available, seems abit weird so would be nice to have them back.

And a single crossbow shot to the head, that would be a cool way to assassinate someone lol.

Why people wouldn't want more options is just mindbogglingly strange.

i get where your coming from, for me though i really dont like those bandits that will spam fireball on you while your working the melee guys, it can get frustrating but once i take them all down it feels so rewarding

Pretty much this.

I hate to generalize like that, but I've been following these games and been part of the community long enough to know that most of this stuff that people complain about being gone now, is not stuff that people were serious about before it got removed.

I mean, literally, the shift in attitude is so drastic. Literally, things that were disliked get changed, and then people complain that it was removed.

I don't not want it in the game, more choice is always better in a game like this, it's just the idea that no crossbows means some huge roleplay possibility being lost. I mean, I get not wanting to see options removed, but the options that get removed that get complained about are the most petty and trivial removals you can think of.

Perhaps you should know a difference then.

There is a difference between "nostalgia" and questioning the removal of something rather than making it work better.

I never played Morrowind, ever. But I still want crossbows because they can be different from bows if done correctly. Crossbows were in Morrowind and from my understanding they were only really cosmetically different from bows. So instead of fixing them to be better they just out right removed them.

Not only that, but people just want choice. Why do you blame everything on nostalgia? I'm fairly certain nostalgia would have nothing to do with a scenario where they removed the Two-Handed Axe and Mace and just kept the Two-Handed Sword. If nostalgia is your only angle of debate then stop debating.

People on here are always like "TES is about choice, TES is about being what you want to be and doing what you want to do" but then you say "eff off you nostalgic nerds" when they comment about a choice being removed.


Have you ever thought it could be because there was little need to remove them and that's why people are actually complaining?

You probably could give two craps about shovels, brooms, bowls, etc being removed but people are questioning why they were removed in the first place when they didn't need to be.

But i haven't played Morrowind (long enough to use, or even see a crossbow in it), yet i want them. Explain that

Not everything people find wrong in or missing from Skyrimi is because of Morrowind, you know


The Dwemer sphere centurions do have miniature crossbows, so they did invent them.

You speak the truth

I also miss throwing knifes and shuriken. Those were bad ass

Now thrown weapons I actually miss, and actually added a different level to gameplay. Wanted something quicker and more lightweight than a bow and arrow? Shurikens and throwing knives were perfect for that.

The only advantage a real cross bow offers over a regular bow is a less skilled person can make a shot. They are more powerful at closer range, but they have way less power at distance than a long bow. It has to do with the heavier bolt gives more stopping power up close but the energy can't carry it the distance. They take forever to reload, even in Morrowind I could hit a guy with 4 arrows before they could reload a crossbow.

If they were in the game, great. But, I would never use one and smile each time I saw one being used against me.

I dunno, crossbows could be helpful for a warrior who wasn't afraid to soften up enemies from a range. Pull out your crossbow, plug a bolt into an enemy (and with the higher stopping power of the crossbow maybe even drop him or knock off a significant portion of his health), take out weapons, wade into the melee.

Throwing weapons is what I really want. There were two crossbows in Morrowind and they weren't even that great. Now we may get them back due to popular demand, but frankly I'd rather use a bow, or throwing weapons. Seriously, in Morrowind I had a big ass tower sheild with heavy armor with shuriken and knives. It was awesome. If I got into a fight, they couldn't get to me half the time, and when they did I dodged all of their attacks. And on the offchance that they could manage to get to me and land a hit, I could either block it or take minimal damage with thousands of health to spair. The perfect character.

I digress, more variety is always a good thing. If I want to be an archer, I'd rather use the bow because that's my preference, not because I'm forced into it.

Also, wouldn't crossbows be great to fire once for massive damage, and then continue with melee attacks? I could come up with ideas when it comes out.

You could probably use it with a shield. That'd be a plus.

or wield magic with it...but lets not go bringing logic into this.

Last I checked, it required two hands to reload. One hand to fire, sure.

What logical reasoning do customers have to go out of their way to argue against adding more features more so than the game makers themselves?

Mini-crossbows only require one hand.

That is a good question. That one has to ask a lot around here. Skyrim will get DLCs, and those DLCs will include new items, maybe even of types that there isn't in the game currently like, for example, crossbows. So what exactly is the problem with people letting Beth know what they would like them to be?

Crossbows--arguably--are stronger, shoot faster and farther, and have better reload speeds than bows. The pretty much better bows in every way (which is why they were created).

That's not to say, however, that in the right hands a bow could exceed a crossbow