This would be the hardest thing..
As it is 'stated' in the game that House can actually build impregnable defenses.. Blastproof, cutting torch proof etc..

I'm fairly certain that if you were to do a 12v12 fight between MK II securitrons and NCR Ranger vets, the securitrons would wipe the floor with them.

They've got rapid fire rocket launchers for pete's sake. The big advantage of explosives is that you can hurt several targets at once. The NCR prefers guns, which can only shoot at one securitron at a time.

Well if we want to get technical here probably both the Legion and the NCR could have killed House if they weren't busy fighting each other.

Wow, is everyone just ignoring what I'm saying?
ncr/legion can nullify Mr House.
They'd have to 'get' to his chamber to kill him though... :S

I think you brought up a good point before. If the door to the Securitron bunker is blast proof, then I'd assume the door to the Lucky 38 is too.
Sure they could effectively nullify him by killing all Securitrons, but I dunno if they could kill him. Not that it matters. Though knowing House, he'd probably bide his time for a good 40 years or so until he had a solid plan, so he'd still pose a danger. There's no way the factions could acknowledge or address this potential danger though, so again, he's effectively nullified.

Nope. No chance for the tin cans. I know this. I have fought both.

Finally someone gets it lol
He'd be out of the game for very long time, perhaps permanently.
However I can't see them ever killing him.

Im pretty sure NCR could get in the 38. They are not some tard tribals that are afraid of tech.

You may be right that cl has no chance of breaching becase they refuse tech besides Uber fists. Though they do they to buy EW from the Van Graffs.

cl is a mystery....... They should probably use everything and be open to anything with Caeser knowing how the real world works from his time as a Follower. Some times they act like that, but most of the time they don t.

Caeser will use tech for important things ( like to save himself, and attempting to buy EW) There has to be a way in there Caeser and NCR have knowledge NCR more so, because may brains are better than 1.

I think cl would have got in if not molested by another army after so long. Its a matter of armoured door. There has to be a way to destroy it.

They had years, and its not like they were just scratching it with machetes.
Caesar himself tells you they tried blasting through, prying open even cutting. Nothing worked. NCR wouldn't have any more luck.

......*sigh*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeSp7_lqCkI

Skip to 04:00.

Notice how he doesn't say "We threw rocks at it, durrrrrr"

EDIT- Ninja'd.

whoa, you just backed up one of my theories?
Did hell just freeze over? lol

I actually think they do embrace tech when they get the oppurtunity. It's just the Preatorian's doctrine to not rely on guns because they can jam, as if a Ballistic Fist cant malfunction, but ok, whatever.

I fail to see how a line of 12 Securitrons with rapid-fire explosives that hit more than one enemy at a time are going to lose to 12 dudes with really nice guns who can only shoot at one target at a time.

NCR vet rangers are absolutely badass, but so are MK11's.

I wouldn't like to call it tbh.
With terrain that would allow sniping I'd give the edge to the vets, on an open battlefield scenario I'd be inclined to go with the MK11's?

NCR has way more than cutting torches. They are a huge nation with tech and scientists. They have serious stuff I m sure. They have beaten the western bos into almost nothing from the way they talk. They did not do that with service rifles and frags.

They had tech bos wanted.... That is the whole reason the war with them started in the first place. We really have no idea what NCR is capable of. We see a small force...... We have no clue what they have in Cali, or what "tech" the bos started a war with a giant nation over.

I'm not saying any different mate. I like the ncr, trust me.
However you're trying to argue against something stated in the game, the doors are impervious.
Prime himself would have to sit twiddling his thumbs outside.

I am, and always will be, a BoS diehard. They've just got everything I love. Death ray lasers? Check. Power armor? Check. Knights? Check. Underground bunkers? Check. Veronica? Check.

What's not to love, really?

In a stand-up fight in Vegas with Mk2 Securitrons House would definitely stomp all over NCR. They'd have to bring up artillery if they really wanted to force entry, those Securitrons could hold the Vegas gates against squishy, poorly armored humans indefinitely. NCR might win in the long term, but they'd take horrific casualties. MKII's are significantly nastier than even a Brotherhood Paladin.

Well if you put them all in a straight line Braveheart style then of course the MK11's are gonna win but not in a 1 on 1 type fight.

You're right. We don't. So why the HELL do you constantly assume that Jesus Christ himself was born in the NCR?
It's a game designed by a group of people and the lore is decided by them. An impenetratable door may sound impossible, yes, but if they write it that way, that's how it is.

I know what he said, and cl may not be able to do it, because they have limited themselves. Caeser is the only one that knows anything about how the real world works.

NCR on the other hand has many, many people....... females even to figure stuff out. Many brains is no doubt better than 1.

So cl may in fact not be able to breech, but House would be doing nothing. He d have nothing no money, no chip, no strip. He may as well be dead...

Anything build can be destroyed. Anything........

Which is exactly what I said, he'd be 'nullified' but you agree that he lives?
There are only two people in nv that could have possibly killed him, the courier (obviously) and MAYBE benny, but still he'd have to gain access to the main L38 area in order to use the knowledge gleaned from his yes man.
Seeing as only House via victor can open them huge doors that protect the casino I'm not even sure on that one.

True there's always gonna be a setting where each army can win and lose, but my argument was more that Mr. House is a defensive person. He's not interested in invading, he's interested in defending. Having said that, the fights we're talking about would probably take place on the Strip or in Freeside. That area seems advantageous to the bots.





You just argued that the NCR would be able to penetrate Mr. Houses defenses because they have females to figure stuff out.

This would be a good time to stop talking. Or maybe call one of your female friends to figure out how to write your next post for you.

As far as many brains being better than one, against anyone else sure.
In FO there is noone smarter than House, hell not even Elijah.

Edit: Having said that though, post Sierra Madre Elijah could have possibly killed House too.
House's armoured doors etc are written as impervious but the red mist is also written as being able to eat through anything.

No limits vs no limits cancels each other out?

The Titanic was an unsinkable vessel. It sank on its first trip out to sea. Its sister ship sank several later. There is no such thing as "un" anything. If a stucture is there it can be destroyed/sabotaged.

All it takes is time. The 38 can t run away and get better it is what it is. The NCR can get better by using their brains.....