What factions are you most allied with? (Part 2) : Fallout: New Vegas

» Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:22 am

Yea and it only took 4 minutes for it to appear. Steel be with us.

For the Brotherhood. "A Brother well armed and equipped is a brother performing his duty."

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:31 pm

I guess that one is for another debate, but it still does not change the fact that the NCR is build on a rotten, trembling foundation.

I'll be the first one to tell you that the NCR has a lot of problems at its core, but at the same time I think they have the best chance at helping the country recover morso than the Legion, and definitely more than the Brotherhood. The only other organization that I think has just as good or even better direction is Lyons Brotherhood on the east coast.

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:11 pm

We need some more upstanding citizens in the wastes like Deadeye Ricky. He didn't take no lip from any paladin, he just popped him right in the eye with his 11mm submachine gun. He defended his right to carry a lazarrr gawn and for that I applaud him.

I'll be the first one to tell you that the NCR has a lot of problems at its core, but at the same time I think they have the best chance at helping the country recover morso than the Legion, and definitely more than the Brotherhood. The only other organization that I think has just as good or even better direction is Lyons Brotherhood on the east coast.

And yet it deals with issues the Legion has already eliminated. Raiders, corruption, greed. They have even put a stop to chems, and if that's not a kick in the head they've managed all that in just three decades. Believe me, the Legion is still far from it's goal, but it's getting there and faster than the NCR.

» Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:05 am

I would say the Enclave is more in line with the old order than the NCR. I mean, they are literally linked to the old world government and the NCR is not.

I agree with this. The Enclave will always be the closest to the Old America IMO, unless they have a radical overhaul with their views.

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:31 am

We need some more upstanding citizens in the wastes like Deadeye Ricky. He didn't take no lip from any paladin, he just popped him right in the eye with his 11mm submachine gun. He defended his right to carry his a lazarrr gawn and for that I applaud him.

poor Ricky, doesn't realize power armor eye slits are bullet proof and that deathjaws are actually called deathclaws.

» Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:45 am

For the Brotherhood. "A Brother well armed and equipped is a brother performing his duty."

^
Ugh.. Some one shut that b!tch up!

"Is this relevent to the mission?"

^
Chill that b!tch out! Say b!tch, be cool!

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:00 pm

Wow, the Legion wasn't getting any love in the polls so their 'Fans' decided to throw a hissy-fit?
Cause I didn't see much Legion hate, just didn't see much love.. (Which is probably worse in the 'fans' eyes)

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:45 pm

We need some more upstanding citizens in the wastes like Deadeye Ricky. He didn't take no lip from any paladin, he just popped him right in the eye with his 11mm submachine gun. He defended his right to carry a lazarrr gawn and for that I applaud him.

And yet it deals with issues the Legion has already eliminated. Raiders, corruption, greed. They have even put a stop to chems, and if that's not a kick in the head they've managed all that in just three decades. Believe me, the Legion is still far from it's goal, but it's getting there and faster than the NCR.

I won't argue that the Legion is getting to their goals faster than the NCR, but its like I say when I argue against the Enclave and their methods, the means that they're using to reach their ends just can't be justified when there's better ways.

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:38 am

I'll be the first one to tell you that the NCR has a lot of problems at its core, but at the same time I think they have the best chance at helping the country recover morso than the Legion, and definitely more than the Brotherhood. The only other organization that I think has just as good or even better direction is Lyons Brotherhood on the east coast.

I want you to see this. Im going to offer you the "red pill". If you want the "blue pill" look away and dont read this post. This may sting a little.

According to the Vault, the BoS leadership's Karma is listed as "Good" (even Hardin) and the NCR leadership's Karma is listed as "Neutral." Even Ambassedor Crocker, the dove, is Neutral.

BoS - Elder McNamara

Karma: Good

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Nolan_McNamara

BoS - Head Paladin Hardin

Karma: Good

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Edgar_Hardin

BoS - Senior Knight Lorenzo

Karma: Good

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Lorenzo

BoS - Paladin Ramos

Karma: Good

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Ramos

NCR - General Oliver

Karma: Neutral

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Lee_Oliver

NCR - Colonel Cassandra Moore

Karma: Neutral

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Cassandra_Moore

NCR - President Aaron Kimball

Karma: Neutral

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Aaron_Kimball

NCR - Ambassador Dennis Crocker

Karma: Neutral

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Dennis_Crocker

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:59 pm

I won't argue that the Legion is getting to their goals faster than the NCR, but its like I say when I argue against the Enclave and their methods, the means that they're using to reach their ends just can't be justified when there's better ways.

Are there better ways? Maybe, who knows. Caesar's Legion for me is the best one I've seen so far.

Wow, the Legion wasn't getting any love in the polls so their 'Fans' decided to throw a hissy-fit?
Cause I didn't see much Legion hate, just didn't see much love.. (Which is probably worse in the 'fans' eyes)

Hissy-fit? A bit of argumentation here and there, I'd hardly call this throwing a hissy-fit.

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:32 pm

I want you to see this. Im going to offer you the "red pill". If you want the "blue pill" look away and dont read this post. This may sting a little.

According to the Vault, the BoS leadership's Karma is listed as "Good" (even Hardin) and the NCR leadership's Karma is listed as "Neutral." Even Ambassedor Crocker, the dove, is Neutral.

I cannot tell a lie my friend, I do not, repeat do not, give a damn. Karma really means little to me, the goals of the organization mean a lot more than any of that ever will. Besides, I can't stand half the people on that list for the NCR anyway.

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:08 pm

Hissy-fit? A bit of argumentation here and there, I'd hardly call this throwing a hissy-fit.

Go back and have a look at your entry post in this thread, then try and tell me that was a rational bit of argumentation.
OR just a case of 'Hey don't you dare leave out MY favourite faction.

There has been very little Legion bashing in this thread, infact there was hardly any legion at all, which I believe to be the true problem. lol

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:45 pm

I cannot tell a lie my friend, I do not, repeat do not, give a damn. Karma really means little to me, the goals of the organization mean a lot more than any of that ever will.

We have superior weapons and training. Submit! The NCR is an imperialist organization that only cares about increasing and exanding their power and inlfuence. People living under the NCR flag still suffer but in different ways, much of the time moreso than they did when they were independant. You saw what happenned to Goodsprings after they were integrated into the NCR right?

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:16 pm

EDIT- Double post, mah bad.

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:43 pm

Go back and have a look at your entry post in this thread, then try and tell me that was a rational bit of argumentation.
OR just a case of 'Hey don't you dare leave out MY favourite faction.

There has been very little Legion bashing in this thread, infact there was hardly any legion at all, which I believe to be the true problem. lol

Go back to the first page, broheim.

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:51 pm

We have superior weapons and training. Submit! The NCR is an imperialist organization that only cares about increasing and exanding their power and inlfuence. People living under the NCR flag still suffer but in different ways, much of the time moreso than they did when they were independant. You saw what happenned to Goodsprings after they were integrated into the NCR right?

You're also missing the glaring benefit that the NCr has brought. (I'm not even a NCR supporter either)

They defend the strip (along with House), they protect Primm, they are the main reason most of the Mojave hasn't been killed/enslaved.
They created a water supply for many regions.

I see a lot of people saying that they haven't made all of the roads safe etc while the legion has.
However the legion lands are only troubled by 'tribes/tribals the ncr are trying to simultaneously defend the entire region from an abomination while trying to keep law and order.
No mean feat..

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:33 pm

Go back to the first page, broheim.

I see a couple of people saying the legion are evil and don't know what they are doing. Both of these statements being true..
(With the exception of Caesar himself, the legion are nothing but evil, conquering slavers)

So this is your basis for turning a thread of favourite factions into yet ANOTHER legion vs thread? Lame.

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:11 pm

You're also missing the glaring benefit that the NCr has brought. (I'm not even a NCR supporter either)

They defend the strip (along with House), they protect Primm, they are the main reason most of the Mojave hasn't been killed/enslaved.
They created a water supply for many regions.

Oh sure, they've done some wonderful things in the interest of empire. I like the NCR faction. Im just saying people shouldnt be under any illusion about them. They shouldnt be described as a benign and generous organization on a crusade for democracy and who's heart bleeds for the suffering of wastelanders. If that were true they wouldnt have exiled the Followers of the Apocalypse, especially as they were providing aid to the population.

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:36 pm

You're also missing the glaring benefit that the NCr has brought. (I'm not even a NCR supporter either)

They defend the strip (along with House), they protect Primm, they are the main reason most of the Mojave hasn't been killed/enslaved.
They created a water supply for many regions.

I see a lot of people saying that they haven't made all of the roads safe etc while the legion has.
However the legion lands are only troubled by 'tribes/tribals the ncr are trying to simultaneously defend the entire region from an abomination while trying to keep law and order.
No mean feat..

Defend the strip? They wanna annex the strip so they can profit from it, unfortunately for them they can't while the Legion is at their gate so it's actually bleeding them dry. Defend Primm? Sure, once the courier has taken care of all the convicts and they pay taxes to them. Fact is the Legion actually protects its land and its citizens. If the Legion controlled the Mojave things like the NCRCF would never even happen to even begin with.

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:56 pm

Defend the strip? They wanna annex the strip so they can profit from it, unfortunately for them they can't while the Legion is at their gate so it's actually bleeding them dry. Defend Primm? Sure, once the courier has taken care of all the convicts and they pay taxes to them. Fact is the Legion actually protects its land and its citizens. If the Legion controlled the Mojave things like the NCRCF would never even happen to even begin with.

If the legion controlled the land there would be hardly anything to defend.
The legion are killers and slavers, people don't like having their freedoms taken.
Who's going to want to 'holiday' in a place like this?
If your main argument is that once 'all' is legion then what?
The legion have no civilisation, they simply conquer and run a 'protection racket' except instead of taxes they abuse, enslave and kill.

I wonder how 'safe' legion lands would be if the roles were reversed and the NCR invaded Arizona 'en-masse...

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:41 pm

Oh sure, they've done some wonderful things in the interest of empire. I like the NCR faction. Im just saying people shouldnt be under any illusion about them. They shouldnt be described as a benign and generous organization on a crusade for democracy and who's heart bleeds for the suffering of wastelanders. If that were true they wouldnt have exiled the Followers of the Apocalypse, especially as they were providing aid to the population.

Hmm? The ncr exiled the fota? Since when?

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:51 pm

If the legion controlled the land there would be hardly anything to defend.
The legion are killers and slavers, people don't like having their freedoms taken.
Who's going to want to 'holiday' in a place like this?
If your main argument is that once 'all' is legion then what?
The legion have no civilisation, they simply conquer and run a 'protection racket' except instead of taxes they abuse, enslave and kill.

I wonder how 'safe' legion lands would be if the roles were reversed and the NCR invaded Arizona 'en-masse...

What freedom would I have in the NCR if they just take my money or my land?

The Legion is bound for change once they take New Vegas.

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:55 pm

We have superior weapons and training. Submit! The NCR is an imperialist organization that only cares about increasing and exanding their power and inlfuence. People living under the NCR flag still suffer but in different ways, much of the time moreso than they did when they were independant. You saw what happenned to Goodsprings after they were integrated into the NCR right?

Your superior training didn't really get you very far at Helios did it? Actually got you stuck hiding in a bunker for what, three years now? I'm not really sure.

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:42 am

What freedom would I have in the NCR if they just take my money or my land?

The Legion is bound for change once they take New Vegas.

I've seen you post this exact same nonsense under your other handle.
The legion are bent on conquest.
Caesar wants new vegas as the jewel in his desert crown, there is no indication that any change is bound to happen, at all.
Tbh Caesar is more like Genghis Khan of the mongols than Augustus Caesar.

» Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:11 pm

Your superior training didn't really get you very far at Helios did it? Actually got you stuck hiding in a bunker for what, three years now? I'm not really sure.

You have to admit though if you choose to have them allign against the legion at the end the BoS and the Enclave curb stomp the little legionaries far more effectively than the ncr grunts do