Obsidian would be all like

" everybody, Read these before working"

Whereas bethesda would be like

"guys i just watched conan so lets make skyrim conan" or "i just watched van helsing so new dlc will be van helsing themed. Movies popular and make money"

So Obsidian would make everybody reach CHIM?

Imagine all the spears!

I'd rather not... Imaging just one golden boy with a spear is quite enough, thank you

If Skyrim ended with the completion of the main quest, either I would have never played the main quest or I wouldn't have purchased the game. Luckily, I didn't purchase FO3 until after the Broken Steel add-on. It's not broken to let one continue to play after completion of the MQ in an open-world game. GTA anyone? RDR?

They put a lot of detail into stuff like ammo having weight, that survival mode where you must eat and drink.

So I believe that if Obsidian worked on Skyrim, they would ensure better balance. Skills won't be able to be exploited. Loot tables would be better.

Great post!

Games like New Vegas are happening when developers think with their heads.

That's not case with Bethesda. Or maybe they don't care about this?
Bethesda make games for kids.

100% this
Beth makes the worlds while Obsidian makes everything else like the story
Beth=Bad stories yet great world
Obsidian=Good stories yet Ok worlds

This, and the stat system would be a joke, " HEY LOOK I CAN LEVEL UP MY GUNS SKILL BY STABBING PEOPLE WITH A BUTTER KNIFE!!!!! "

id dare say let bethesd make the game and let obsidian go in and correct and balance the lore nreaks and add back in what nethesda thpught was a brilliant idea to take out.

Funny. Bethesda each game keeps taking stuff out and away to make the game eazier to develope and only throws the stuff that they took out back in under the guise of added new content when there was no reason to removein first place.
Obsidian takes whats alrdy in the game and lore and keeps it and improves and makes it better.


Also I would like to add that if im not mistaken, an oblivion mpdder who saved the game and fixed alot of mistakes and made it more lore freindly works for bethesda now. I dont believe there wont be any shortage on lore bc unlike bethesda, I have a fssling from obsidians past actions and track record they would have hored on mk to make sure they were doing it right.

You know beth did the same thing in FO3 because thats the way the fallout system works right?

Look, if Obsidian had at least some control of the story and dialogue and Bethesda did the rest it would have been great. Instead of the quest being 'go get the horn of Juurgen' like Bethesda does, Obsidian would have explored it's purpose, it's role in history, why it is needed, interpretations by characters on its meaning. But no, just go get it. Important characters would actually have something interesting to say by who they are. Wouldn't it be nice to hear an anti-Ulfric's opinion on something he said, or his policies, or his henchmen and their polices or something he had them do?

There is only one character in Skyrim that is good to listen to and that is Parthaarnax. But he is limited in that he doesn't care about empire or imperial. Cheap. And the greybeards don't have opinions on that because they are on a mountain. Again, cheap. The guilds don't care about the other guilds. See a pattern? Bethesda does books well, why not dialogue and story? Obsidian would have at least given the depth of Parthaarnax to Tullius and Ulfric. They would have improved the daedric princes, given life and stories to followers.

Then Skyrim wouldn't seem so empty and lifeless, and devoid of authenticity. That is why Skyrim is not a treasure, it is expensive junk.

Comparing FO3 and FNV it's hard to say which I like best.
In many ways FNV is the superior game. The story is much better, you can play the MQ for different factions, almost noone is essential and your actions have actual consequences for how NPCs treat you. The combat mechanics, weapon arsenal and crafting options were also much better.
On the other hand, I also like exploring an open world and FO3 was much better for that. Whereas a map marker in FNV was usually just some empty shack or a small cave, FO3 had tons of large, interesting and creepy places to explore. Also I have to say that with the mesmetron and some of the over the top evil things you could do (like nuking Megaton or the Citadel) FO3 was much more fun for letting your inner psychopath out for a while. There are definitely some people working at Bethesda with some very dark humor. Some of it also shines in the Elder Scrolls. For instance I had a big laugh in the DB questline in Oblivion when that Khajit who always treats you like crap, suddenly has a change of heart and decides to be your friend when you've just received the quest for the Purification ritual. The DB initiation quest in Skyrim was great too.

So I guess my ideal game would be made like this:
Bethesda designs the entire game world with all its locations
Then Obsidian tweaks the game mechanics and write 90% of the quests
Bethesda write the other 10% with really dark and evil things you can do
And then finally someone else comes along and gets all the bugs out before the game ships

hahahahaha, you crack me up, Longknife. I said some elements.

Tenpenny Tower
uh... because the citizens of Tenpenny Tower are cowards and the guards? Well, they're either loyal to a fault, too stupid or too clever to attack the person that has kindly let them stay in HIS tower.

I bet you sided with the Ghouls, didn't you.

Megaton
Yeah, you're right there. After losing so many to Raiders and storms, they should risk travelling the CW through radioactive waters with the risk of running into Mirelurks, through metro tunnels filled with feralled ghouls and through territory inhabited by Super Mutants armed with miniguns just to reach a rust bucket that is already home to others where there wouldn't be space; because it makes much more sense than setting up in an area they already know that will always hold the memories of those they lost.

Little Lamplight
1. I've not been there yet
2. I said some elements make sense

Any civilisation not visited by caravans
Right, because no one is capable of scavenging or collecting food and water other than the travelling merchants.

Skyrim is perfect. I believe Bethesda did a great job, and nothing more. Obsidian games have too many bugs agreed.

No seriously.

NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY benefits from Tenpenny being there. He's a leech on the entire community of Tenpenny tower. He charges people to live there and they need to buy food and other essentials on their own. The game is either suggesting:

A) These people are SOOOOO rich it doesn't matter. This seems odd because in the CW's setting, the only way I can see someone getting rich is if they provided a lot of people with food and water, yet no one has these.
B ) They were merchants well known by the CW. This isn't the case however. Hell, Herbert was an adventurerer just like your character, yet somehow he's rich enough to afford paying a rent?

And let's say Tenpenny stops paying the guards. Now what? They're gonna leave? They're gonna willingly leave the safest, most modern piece of land in the whole entire wasteland? Even if they did, the guards are gonna be OK with them leaving? It's nonsense! There's a doctor, there's traders, there's guards and there's people with money. Why not just pool the money all together, use it to buy food and water and other essentials and comfortably live out their lives, with everyone who lives there doing their job simply because they SHOULD if they want to see this piece of paradise survive?
Let's say Tenpenny kicks someoneout who fails to pay rent. And he's gonna replace him just like that? The person isn't gonna tell their friends about their impending doom, and they're not gonna reason that Tenpenny is a leech on society?
Let's say all the citizens refuse to pay rent in protest. What's he gonna do? The merchants probably need those guys there to stay afloat, so they'd be on board. The guards are just gonna gun down everyone and Tenpenny and the guards would pocket their savings? Seems possible, but that doesn't happen either. Again, more likely is that the guards jump on board with the people so they themselves don't need to worry about paying rent or feeding themselves.

The entire situation is like.....it's like slavery in the 1800's of the USA, but instead of an armed man watching over several people who're unarmed and chained up while there's an entire country that supports his actions and would avenge him if his slaves revolted and killed him, instead we have dozens of armed, armored men as slaves and NOBODY would care if Tenpenny died.


Megaton
Dude you can walk to Rivet City every day. These guys? They supposedly chose to walk MILES in raider and super mutant infested wastes during the middle of dust storms, lugging huge pieces of metal with them back and forth, all to build a barrier around some bomb to protect them from raiders and dust storms. You know what else would protect you guys from raiders and dust storms and doesn't involve walking vulnerable through the wastes for miles with huge pieces of metal strapped to your back? Rivet City. Hell, they could make their home in the Super Duper Market ffs, instead they choose a nuclear bomb.


Others?
Where is Republic of Dave looting their food from? Old Oldney, with the deathclaw infestation?
Girdershade? We know they avoid the Dunwich building.

It seems very inconsistent that I'm supposed to listen to Canturberry Commons admit to being trade reliant, then I'm supposed to assume everyone and their mother is capable of crawling through mutant-infested old buildings to dig up scraps of food. That including communities such as Big Town who admit to not knowing how to defend themselves, or Megaton who wants you to "research" what's in the Super Duper Market....just down the street.




Bethesda can't write. None of it makes any sense. Some of the ideas are fun, sure, but beyond the initial fun factor they fall completely apart. Obsidian? FFS Chris Avellone is often referred to as the absolute best writer in the business.

Both Bethesda white knights and obsidian white knights will admit that their prefered company ships games out riddled with bugs.

Skyrim, oblivion, fo3,, and fonv all shared one thing in common. All the games had over 2000 bugs noted. Just gander at the unofficial fan made patches and see all the bugs that are listed they themselves the player had to fix. Obsidian was the first to release more than 3 patches to fix their game and that seems to be one thing Bethesda has taken note of BC this is by far the first serious attempt from Bethesda trying to totally fix their games.

If u blame obsidian for releasing bug riddled games, then dont be a hypocrite and turn a blind eye to bethesdas bug riddled games.

Both good companys, one excells at landscaping and one excells in story telling and game mechanics. Best if they just team up.

Also I like to throw out there that fo3was intentionally doing the whole chessy b rated 50s scifi movies in mind and they hit that and atmosphere on the mark. alot of stuff wasnt supposed to make sence because it wasnt supposed to be taken seriously.

IN MY OPINION FO3 is a more believable setting than NV. I think everyone is aware that you think my opinion is wrong, but I don't care. My opinion is mine and mine alone, and no one has any right to tell me I'm wrong. Yes I know all these reasons why in YOUR opinion NV is somehow superior, but I will never outright say or insinuate that you are wrong.

I'm not saying or insinuating a damn. You made a claim, I'm waiting to here support for it so I can better understand your opinion because I don't understand your claim at all. Instead I'm getting "it just is."

People who say New Vegas was incredibly buggy apparently don't realize or gloss over the fact that not only was the development time incredibly short, but that it was Bethesda, not Obsidian that did the QA for it as well.

Actually, that bit makes perfect sense. Cause my character has enough caps to buy ten Tenpenny towers

1. I didn't say "it just is" to everything you've said. Sure, you've had counter points that have been formed from your perspective of the game... not mine.
2. I don't need to justify my opinion any further than I already have. The fact that my opinion differs from yours doesn't take away from your opinion any more than yours takes away from mine.

Oh, and "no seriously" then explaining further because you didn't agree with my post is akin to telling me I'm wrong. If that's not what you meant, then maybe rewording would beneficial.

It would be so many times better in every way possible.

Obsidion put actual work into games. The write properly, and the npcs look and act like real people. They put choices, proper stories. The world would look like a proper world, not like it does now. All diferent colours, everything as it is meant to look.
It would look better, have a far superior story, better everything. And it would be a hell of a lot tighter. Less big, but full of the right things.

Skyirm is too big and too empty.

Bethesda can't do anything anymore. They can't even work the system they made. The damn essential tags on people with no quests are proof of that.

Their so called pretty world, that they tried to sell the game on, is boring and grinds on your eyes after a time. It's the same stupid thing they did with Fallout 3. Indescriminately washing everything with a drab and boring colour, and it does'nt make any sense. It looks post apocolyptic when it is'nt. The place looks like a magic nuke barrage wiped out every builder, cleaner, dyer, weaving, tanner, joiner, stonemason, washer person, fireman and many others. Leaving idiots who can't dye cloth, weave bed linen, put out fires, build, fix things, sew well, or wash clothes.
The enemies are boring and unimaginative mostly.
They think fir trees turn brown in winter! They're evergreens, you morons!

Bethesda make bad, illogical worlds. In a purely geographic, visual and behavoural sense.
They made a illogical one in FO3. But at least they put good enemies in it!
Could'nt even manage that for skyrim.

Bethesda have just as many bugs, maybe more than Obsidion. I don't mind bugs, so long as the games good, most games have them.

Skyrims starting to go bad already.
What took 2 games for FO3 and FO:NV, has taken one game.
The creation engine is degenerating. You can see it get worse before your eyes.
The quests break constantly and have no way to fix them. Blood On The Ice is unacceptabley broken.

I can't believe they launched the game as it is, it's half done.