All unique item based glitches in Oblivion were never fixed.
A glitch that completes a completely different quest upon completion of the Operation Anchorage DLC still exists.
A severe bug that prevents people playing the German version of FO3 from completing a major quest a certain way (for different rewards) was never fixed.
Blood on the Ice has yet to be fixed in Skyrim.

FFS, please tell me what the number 5 most downloaded Oblivion mod of all time is: http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/topalltime/?advlt=0

Yeah, you're right. Clearly Bethesda ALWAYS fixes their games. It's such a typical Bethesda thing to do.



"Fallout New Vegas currently holds the record for the most lines of dialogue in a single-player action role-playing game. The game contains around 65,000 lines of dialogue, beating its predecessor and previous record holder Fallout 3 which contained 40,000 lines of dialogue."


List of quests in Fallout 3:http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_3_quests

List of quests in New Vegas: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_quests

An example of a New Vegas quest tree:http://i54.tinypic.com/jqme7k.gif



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xCjK3BD6u4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt5aUdijAN8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk2SbJnsXFM

"Deflect Arrows is bugged. It sets blocking effectiveness to the maximum value of 85% against all attacks, regardless of your Block skill, Shield Wall ranks, or Fortify Block effects. It does not work when blocking with weapons, but if you use a shield, Deflect Arrows renders all other forms of increasing Block strength obsolete"

"Occasionaly, the "Deflect Arrow" perk will fail to work. If you put your shield up and block incoming archery attacks, some arrows may still deal damage as though you failed to block at all."

"Tower of Strength does absolutely nothing. It does not affect your stagger chance or stagger duration from any source."

(There's more related to basic skills but the list will get too long and stretch the page. Just look them up yourself if you don't believe me)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9RBex33O8Y


If you say so....

Im sure skyrim would have been 10x better if they would have done it. Look at Fallout new vegas, WAYYYYY better than fallout 3, totally blew it out of the water.

Hopefully obsidian gets involved somehow, maybe they'll make a skyrim DLC or something. They definitely have a much better grasp on fun.

Listen to who's fans? Bethesda's or Obsidian's?
So your mad cause Obsidian wasn't able to add extra things in that small amount of time they got to make the game? They couldn't add things like Bethesda did after the game was done. They were only contracted for the time to make fallout nv and the 4 dlc's, nothing more. They didn't want to do after story play if it was just going to be halfassed.

Also, you don't count things added to the game that others have made in fallout 3 as mods (iron sights, hardcoe mode, traits, more ammo types, etc...) and added better companions as things people wanted?

Actually it was revealed in an Interview with the Wasteland 2 Head that Bethesda didn't do QA which they are responsible for and that is what resulted in Fallout New Vegas being uber buggy not Obsidians lack of programing skills.

I Agree with the main poster for the most part. I think we would see some marked improvements in the cities being slightly larger or better designed to be believable. While several were superb the others felt completely neglected such as Winterhold.

Obsidian 1 year of development time.
Bethesda 5 years of development time.

Both extremely buggy but fine after being patched.
Bethesda is amazing.
Obsidian svcks.


Some people are just unreasonable.

I am amazed this has continued into a second thread.
Bethesda should stick with Skyrim they make the best world and lore with their series.
The world and exploration is what makes me play TES for so long and i am nowhere near being done with Skyrim.
Obsidion made Skyrim would have better quest and interactions but a worse world far worse.
It would also not be as open as an ES game look what they walled off in NV.
I am pretty much done with Fallout NV except I have to do the quest and that's it why because the world suffers.

Better story. Buggier. hardcoe mod etc.

That isn't what was being discussed. We were specifically talking about the believability of the world and whether or not the setting was internally consistent. That's something you can measure objectively, not a matter of opinion. If you prefer gamey, less believable worlds, then that's fine, but the criticism was that Obsidian doesn't know how to design open world games. That's another statement that can be objectively evaluated by looking at what was trying to be accomplished and how close they hit the mark.

FO:NV was using old tech.

Yes, because Bethesda has the time to spend weeks and weeks, months and months, years and years, devoted to nothing but fixing bugs and small issues.

Number of serious issue you listed... 4, not even from the same game, and only one related to Oblivion.

It comes down to time vs gain. Are 90% of the things UOP fixes are not important in the grand scale of the game.

On the other hand, Skyrim has seen nearly all of its major bugs fixed, including the navmesh bug!

Full of game breaking bugs they're even worse than Bethesda with bugs but i always enjoyed their storytelling though, that said i'm not a fan when there is developer changes in the middle of a series it usually makes it feel different and not the same game sure there are exceptions but not many i'm afraid.

It's from Kotaku. Todd Howard didn't want to "Quantify" it, but there is at least two new regions. Soul Cairn being one.


Obsidian only uses old tech. They don't have the technical skill to create or significantly modify their own engines. Like I've said before, Obsidian is nothing but a really talented mod team. They can take an existing product and make it better, but their 100% Original stuff always fails to deliver.

Is that really a bad thing though? Regardless of tech, if they can produce a new experience at the scale of any other game, what does it matter?

NV can be summed up as a contracted total conversion mod by Bethesda, and sold it for $50. And I say it is worth every penny.

They've only released one original title and it suffered from the same sort of publisher issues a number of their past games have. I'm not saying that Obsidian's blameless---they do have time management issues---but it seems kind of silly to say "original stuff always fails to deliver" when they've had only a single chance to prove themselves capable.

Oh yes, I loved New Vegas, bugs and all.

In the context of this argument though, we have to assume Obsidian would make or significantly modify an engine for "Their" Skyrim. With that in mind, I think an "Obsidian Skyrim" would be a technological disaster, like Alpha Protocol. Great Ideas and Writing only get you so far in this industry.


It's unfair, but true.

These kind of threads cause flame wars, get people banned, attract trolls, create more flamers, attract flamers, and are the kind that is best left uncreated. It has already been made so anything else about the "past" is irrelevant to the "now".

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Most will disagree with this and call me everything in the book and then some and I dont care. It is what it is and debating about who should have, could have, or would have wont change anything.

I'm not saying it's untrue in the strictest, most pedantic sense, more that it's like flipping a coin once and then saying, "This coin always lands heads up." It's just not a very informative observation, and certainly doesn't justify absolutist vocabulary.

Obsidian doesn't really do it for me 100%. They're very good at getting things spot on, only to ruin it with decisions that can best be summed up with "WHY?????". Particularly repeating in New Vegas a lot of the mistakes BGS got ripped for in the first week of Fallout 3's lifespan.

Now, get a moderately successful (or highly successful) Eastern European or Russian developer to play with Bethesda's toys, and I'd be all over that.

Considering they've broken every stable engine they've put their hands on, I think it's a fair assumption.

Examples? I remember one gamebreaker in NWN2, but nothing much beyond that. I haven't played Dungeon Siege 3, so I can't really comment on that one.

I never cease to be amazed at the proliferation of totally pointless threads in this forum.

For Dungeon Siege III they used their own new engine, and i even heard its one of obsidians more polished titles


Yea i know because only praising bethesda as best devs ever and agree with everyone is only right type of thread

The internet loves to argue pointless things. Like where the water in Whiterun comes from, from a geological standpoint.

I recall one about how dragons could fly despite their unfitting wing to body ratio.

I can't quite grasp how Obsidian would have made a more bland world. On the contrary, I reckon Obsidian would have done just as well as Bethesda's capable design team.


Which is exactly how it should have been. Broken steel was more of a gimmick than a proper add-on. Why should the player be given the choice to free-roam after the main quest is over? That is essentially a broken game.

Also, every DLC adds content that lets you experience more of the world.

Because a lot can still happen after the main quest is over, the world doesn't automatically end when the MQ does. Can you imagine playing a game like Oblivion or Skyrim where you are thrown into the MQ from the start and then can't continue playing after it is done?

Anyway I don't really understand this discussion, for me the mayor problem with Skyrim, and it has done it a lot better then Oblivion ever did, is that it does not keep in account all the Lore created earlier and it ignores things that Bethesda has created in previous times. This is annoying, I don't see how a developer like Obsidian could have done that better.

TES throughout all of it's games has told a story, an overlapping identity that keeps coming back, giving this game over to Obsidian would likely ruin that. I'm not saying Obsidian can't make great games, they can. Sure they have their faults but they also have good things. They have things they do better then Bethesda and things they do worse, but the biggest I see with handing this over to Obsidian is that basically you are giving an entire game series over to another company and letting them do with it what they want, that won't work. You have to keep the back story in mind.