Somebody contact change.org. Bethesda needs to be petitioned.

He might be referring to http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhtx60PqvW1qhwe36o1_500.jpg.

This thread is probably worse than trying to impose Tolkien fantasy into TES.

Don't force your cultural religion down everyone's throats.

Gays occupy the high ground when they simply want to be able to play their own game in their own homes in a manner that reflects their lifestyle. They lose the high ground when they expect the game to serve as a propaganda device to normalize their lifestyles in other peoples homes.

I think Skyrim strikes the right balance. It's only in your game if you want it to be.

It's not a stupid thread, it's a valid observation. If the PC can be gay, then so can the NPCs. For some reason they're not.

But your post is a perfect explanation why there are no gay couples in Skyrim. If there were, "normal people" like you would rage that the game promotes deviation and what not. There would be many such people in the 10 milion market Bethesda has. So they played it easy, played it safe. I can't say I blame them for that.

oh now thats lovely lol

...Please don't tell me that is real

Gay couples weren't tolerated in medieval times so they are trying to keep it realistic?

I hate political correctness. It's gone too far already and ruined so much just to include everybody and everything.
That said I also despise narrow minded fools who think their way is the only just and moral path in life.

There's a balance between having only straight couples in TES games or a gay parade in Solitude.

i slightly hope it is lmfao (and im brown lmao)

I'm not sure what history books you were reading, but they were. At least until the Church started condemning it, largely in an effort to get people to breed more members of the Church. As I said though, it was common practice to get married and have children as a duty to your clan and family, even if you were not attracted to the opposite six.

For the record, I don't think Bethesda is on any kind of anti or pro homosixual agenda. Non-hetrosixual characters have appeared in their games, in their lore and as an option for their players in all their games I've played. They just don't make it a big "OMG look at the gays!" issue. Non-straight people exist, and just live their lives. There aren't a lot, but then in the real world straight people are in the majority, so I don't see that as anything other than to be expected in the game. I'm glad enough for the references that exist that aren't horrible stereotypes.

I figure there aren't any NPC gay couples in the game because the people who were writing those things were all straight, most likely. So it probably didn't even occur to them, just as most people don't think about LGBT issues in general, unless it personally affects them or they are obsessed about it.

Note to Bethesda :
scrap marriage in all future games pls.

A: A fantasy setting cannot be compared to our world in ancient times. Just because some things look the same doesn't mean they follow any of the same rules as we do. In fact, the reason most things look how they do in games is because we as humans can barely wrap our head around the idea that something that doesn't look human can have intelligence or the fact that if you are in a liquid you will run out of air.

B: Many ancient civilizations were fine with this like the Romans, and Feudal Japan. In many places being gay was the more honorable path until Catholic Britain started to spread it's influence.

C: Actually read the thread because your question was already asked and answered with A and B which I copy pasted here.

heh solitudes streets are actually quite desirable for a parade lmao

Don't worry, it's fake

Broad streets, torchbugs in the air like party lights, bards...heh you're right!

There is a difference between "Allowing things to occur", and "Making them occur"...

Allowing it to occur, it is not forcing it upon you, and giving you control. (For those who want it.)

Making it occur, is forcing it upon you, even if you choose not to participate in it. (Having couples already gay-wed as NPC's, forces that "opinion" on the player. They can not avoid the situation.)

EG, I don't participate in the event of same-six romance, yet I don't care who does. However, many are completely against it, and others are completely against "reproductive-romances". The extreme goes both ways. But even most of the haters will not go so far as to boycott a game, because that option is possible. But they will, if it is forced on them, if only by viewing it.

That is like the difference of "selling a gun to a killer", and "shooting someone yourself". Obviously, the purchaser can kill someone, but that is not the same as killing the person yourself. Bethesda doesn't mind selling you a gun, but they don't want to kill someone's game, who has no interest in participating/viewing that reality.

A better anology is briast-feeding... Many people don't mind the public display of the natural feeding process of an infant, while others feel it is a discomforting scenario. Their personal discomfort is so great, that they actually created laws stating that you can't feed your kid a certain way, due to the "public disturbance" and "lewd display", it causes, since there are other alternatives. (People are idiots, and self-centered, so crap like this has to be done, to appease those with the largest lungs and biggest mouths, or most political and financial pull.)

That's life... Be lucky that they gave you a closet-door to open... In the game...

Though, if you did marry the same six, they should have made code which now makes you see other couples like that in the game. (Since there are still a lot of unmarried people, it would not be hard to implement with a simple MOD.)

Make a request in the mods area.

Both of those statements are demonstrably wrong.
I agree with the rest of your post though.
"Normal"? And what, pray tell, is "normal"?
I've said it before and I'm going to say it again: Our society does not have a monopoly on normalcy. What's normal in our cultural context (or more probably, yours, since that's the only thing you're considering) is not necessarily the norm in any other, and it's clearly NOT the norm in Nirn.

TES is not "medieval times". TES is not "realistic".

YES. THIS. So much this.

That's a terrible sentence; and, I would imagine, the opposite of your point.

Marriage has only been superficially modelled in any regard. The LGBT community are not alone in their disappointment.

I wouldn't go to Bethesda to rant about social issues you may care so much about. It's a game. Go to real life.

You really believe this is the best public forum for this?

Come on Beth, why can't I be a teacher? I am one in real life. I don't see a teacher in every town. That's not like real life.

I know what you're getting at, but I just don't think Bethesda would ever care about catering towards kids that might play this game since they're not even supposed to be playing it in the first place. I doubt they feel any pressure to make their M-rated game kid-friendly.

Long answer: whatever you want to believe.
Short answer: avoid legal problems, bad press and [censored]loads of complaints and accusations of homophobia.

It's something easy to implement and doesen't hurt the game in any way.

yh. I was going to make a mention how the Dunmer voices sound so daft in this game. The new races look great but compare the Dunmer voices of Morrowind to that of Skyrim

I personally would rather hear more Asian sounding accents on the Elven races to set them apart from the European / Middle Eastern sounding human races.



Normal as in two people coming together to raise a family (without the need for adoption). I thought it was greatly about introducing children into Skyrim. Most the NPC couples also have children.

I'm sure there are others in the game who are "gay" but Bethesda doesn't feel cheapened to have to broadcast it. I don't see anyone broadcasting the fact they are straight.

For all we know, the two ladies in the Thieves Guild bar are gay. There could be priests that are gay... who cares??!!

Are you scared?

Meh, this is getting too much into IRL politics. I kind of think you have to be religious, a redneck, a kid or a virgin to think being gay is "disgusting" (and probably all four given where we are). There will be Christians around who think Beth is "forcing" demonology onto them by summon daedra and having pentagons on the Arcane Enchanter. You don't get a veto on what goes into the game based on your religion or whatever, sorry. Surprised this thread wasn't locked already.