I agree there should be more gayness in this game.

Very disappointed about the lack of Assless Chaps light armor and dual-enchanted nipble Rings.

So... Why kids are immortal then?

Bethesda has been intentionally "streamlining" games way below the level of an average human being. And that means that either I am overestimating humanity or Bethesda does indeed target kids (And their parent's wallets) despite whatever they say.

What the hell do assless chaps and nipble rings have to do with homosixuality?

Also, you're mixing game-play mechanics with lore. We aren't supposed to believe that there wasn't a single horse in Vvanderfell, people in Cyrodiil wasn't able to dual wield or that children in Skyrim are inmortal. It's just a feature.

You must've never lived through the 70's/80's and visited S&M dungeons.

Not that I have or anything.

You do understand that the Bible was written before midieval times right? There were these little towns talked about in the Old Testament. Sodom and Gamorah? They were destroyed because, well... it's where the word sodomized comes from.

Except it was translated and edited so many times, it's contents can be interpreted in any way possible.

As long as there are female versions or equivalents of such, i approve!

The Bible is not a historical document, it is a religious one. The people of Sodom were not punished for being gay, they were punished for being anti-social jerks, which in that culture and time was a grave sin, not being gay which was not uncommon. There is more to the world than just Europe, and even then the Roman Empire can certainly be considered 'mideval', even if it wasn't a Catholic Church led Europe.

what does adoption have to do with being normal.......so does tha mean a man and woman who cant have children and then adopt.....thats not a normal family?

I personally feel like that's Bethesda making things more accessible for a different audience in order to expand their user base. With Skyrim, they're trying to pull in the audience that doesn't care about or want to be bothered with heavy customization and player choices and all that jazz. The people who just want to start up the game, plow through the story, kill lots of dragons, and move on to the next game. I wouldn't say those people are inherently stupid; they just view video games differently and have different taste. I know people like that in real life that are definitely not unintelligent.

Yes and don't forget to include horny lisbians, bdsn and all the spices of the planet Earth, don't let out any minorities. UFO worshipers are a must.

Now that I think of it, you might be right.
Maybe I'm thinking more of the TES series as a whole, with traditional fantasy settings that never seem to take notice of homosixuality. It doesn't really affect the player - we can still make choices for our characters. I don't believe we NEED to have gay people in the game to know that homosixuality is accepted. I don't believe meeting them everywhere we go would be realistic.
Or maybe I just have to much of the "why change what's not broken" attitude

On a side note, even in ancient Rome being homosixual was okay only as long as you were the active side. Assuming the passive role was infamia for a free citizen. Freeborn Romans could openly have male lovers, but those lovers were usually slaves or non-Romans.

Sodoma and Gomorrah are tricky, many view homosixuality as their sin, but it that particular case their cruelty and lack of hospitality was the real problem. Sodomites commiter many other sins: economic crimes, blasphemy, bloodshed. Homosixuality was only one of many. The story stresses that Lot's angelic guests should have been protected and untouchable, but the citizens of Sodoma violated this right.

They took an arrow in the knee :]

I like Komodo Saurian. (I'll leave it up to you decide what I mean by 'like'.)

I'm not going to get into a religious debate on the Skyrim forum, just like the OP shouldn't take their political agenda to the Skyrim forum. I find it a lazy way for them to feel like they're furthering their cause. Actually go out and do something about it.

Or I suppose put them in and if people don't want homosixuals in the game, they can kill them. Would this be the direction you would want to go? No, I think Bethesda did the safe thing and kept it out of the game. They should've played it safer and taken the whole marriage system out. Just showing you it could be a lot worse than it is.

there will never be a time when a thread like this does not evolve into a irl debate

I give this thread to page 6 before it gets shut down for one reason or another.

Well the marriage system was not up for the debate. It was the lack of obvious homosixual NPC couples. I think it would have been nice, but I don't see that as a requirement. As far as 'we can't show gay couples because then the ultra conservative haters will hate!'. Well, that's life... Gay people exist, they have families. Burying your head in the sand or boycotting a game won't make it go away... Might as well just accept it. Nobody is 'forcing' it on you anymore than heterosixual couples are 'forcing' their straightness on gay people just by existing.

They were still expected to procreate with members of the opposite six, whether or not they liked it was irrelevant. In fact the rather sixist view of those societies was that women were for making babies and wifely duties, while other men were for love and romance - "what woman can ever be an equal to a man?" They would wonder. So while they didn't have gay marriages, they did have gay romances.

They are immortal, for the same reason... They don't want to be guilted into "making them something you might kill", if only on accident... (In addition to the legal and social issues, related to killing children.)

Funny, they are not children, they are vectors of light, emanating from my screen... I kill them, every time I turn off the computer... They no-longer LIVE! lol.

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"Normal"... Normal is NOT "Average"... Average implies that there are high's and low's. Thus, Average = Gay & Hetero & Hermits... If it can be done, it is "NORMAL", if it usually CAN NOT be done, that is "ABNORMAL", if YOU don't want it done, that is an "OPINION".

As for the posters saying, "This is medieval times..." Yea, and same-six relations were not only "Normal", but they were even encouraged in many places. Thus, the strong need for social-control to throw anti-gay junk in bibles, and scare idiots with fear of being burned in hell. (That was to reduce the obvious spreading of promiscuous disease spreading, where "marriages" were not being practiced. Same-six marriages were possible, and frequent. Just not in the edited history-books you were force-fed as a child, in your public and private schools.

Marriage was invented to resolve issues with insecurities, and promote "a better way of life", for reproduction. Love had noting to do with marriage. That has, and still is, optional in many countries. It was about property, possession, insecurity, and dominance. Love is what made it unique and last longer, longer than "toleration and fear", yet that still plays a major role in all relationships. Though, the reality of "a better way of life", is far from the reality of what is preached or practiced. Since many kids and spouses, "are together", in abusive, destructive, and "worse off", than they would be alone, or being separated.

But I digress... Don't let the "game fantasy" destroy your "reality fantasy"... There is no spoon!

Its getting there; since the bible got brought up again

What the heck does Christianity have to do with TES lore anyway?

absolutley nothing to do with it at all....i give it till page 7 but just barely