Why are console players getting less than the PC players? : V - Skyrim

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:50 am

prove your point before making an argument that you can build a pc for 500 dollars or pounds or your input is useless to me.

I know I hate this agrument every time this comes up. Some people don't have the tech skills or knows someone to build it for them. Some people have to go out and pay full price for a decent gaming PC.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:10 pm

The PC players have mods, more patch support from Bethesda and the awesome console. And we? Our game feels dumbed down. I've been following the franchise since Morrowind. They even took our console afterwards! I accept the patch and the mods thing as Micro$oft and $ony are to blame but at least the [censored] console should have been left for us.

I been following this series since 1994 when Arena came out, and I say Console's have been dragging the series down ever since Oblivion. Making everything easier.. dumber.. less frustrating.. all the quests now have waypoints for people with low attention spans
who can't take the time to read a book or even the text in a quest, or bother exploring to find a cave, no they need to have it pointed out to them on a map saying Here it is. RIGHT HEre. Go Here, Go inisde Here and pick THIS up, Congratulations!

Didn't have that stuff in arena and daggerfall, you had to go out and find the dungeon then actually search through it. If you don't like the limitations of your console, then buy a computer, then you wont have to bother with third party right managments and limited system resources or subscription fees to online content.

You paid 300 or so dollars for your xbox and 60 dollars for your game, I paid 600 dollars for my computer and it does a whole lot more then just games, not to mention runs Skyrim on ultra high without skipping or stuttering. Enjoy your console.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:28 pm

from my logic I can say.

Xbox pay like 300 dollars for their machine.

Pc pays 1000-2000 dollars for and average machine.

so its only fair that xbox gets 15% and we get the full 100%.

By my logic, I realize that there are laptops for $500-600 that could run games as good or better than an Xbox 360.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Property&Subcategory=32&Description=&Type=&N=100006740&IsNodeId=1&srchInDesc=&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=650&PropertyCodeValue=http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1323552-why-are-console-players-getting-less-than-the-pc-players/402%3A74495&PropertyCodeValue=402%3A57506&PropertyCodeValue=402%3A115949&PropertyCodeValue=402%3A94427&PropertyCodeValue=402%3A103495&PropertyCodeValue=402%3A154849&PropertyCodeValue=402%3A155154&PropertyCodeValue=402%3A155119&PropertyCodeValue=402%3A100541&PropertyCodeValue=402%3A155219&PropertyCodeValue=402%3A155126&PropertyCodeValue=402%3A217014.

Also by my logic, lots of people have bought new regular size desktops over the last 3-4 years, those that picked a CPU with 3-4 cores will just need a graphics card and power supply. $150-$200 for a GPU & PSU and another ~$100 if you need to pay to get it installed and you have a fairly capable machine. Dual Core machines are fine to upgrade, but I take in the consideration of longevity of the system as to if it is worth it.

If you want to go really bare bones, there is integrated graphics. Intel is terrible, but ATI/Nvidia graphics

Vids of Skyrim on popular on-board graphics solutions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nl3zOnB_5Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XxRO4yATFk

There seems to be plenty of Skyrim vids featuring many low end video solutions on youtube if anyone wants to look up theirs.

...console users should just realize that most of them could of [...and should of] bought it for PC to begin with.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:38 am

prove your point before making an argument that you can build a pc for 500 dollars or pounds or your input is useless to me.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:53 am

I know I hate this agrument every time this comes up. Some people don't have the tech skills or knows someone to build it for them. Some people have to go out and pay full price for a decent gaming PC.

While I understand your side of it, saying that a PC costs 2000 dollars because some people can't get them cheaper is like saying that a house cost 10 million just because some houses do.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:42 am

Contrary to popular belief, my computer runs just fine. I can play Skyrim on medium-high. I don't really care about graphics as long as they're not ass ugly.

No doubt, mine is about 3 years old that i've upgraded since, does high on Skyrim no problems. But that what i said seems to be impression some people have about PCs :hehe:

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:00 am

This. You can break your game with the console if you don't know what you're doing with it.

This argument equally applies to PC players.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:28 am

This argument equally applies to PC players.

However it can be fixed on the PC. You can't regenerate INI files, delete all meshes and textures or re-install the game on a console.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:34 pm

No doubt, mine is 5 or so years old that i've upgraded since, does high on Skyrim no problems. But that what i said seems to be impression some people have about PCs :hehe:

Impressive. o:

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:30 pm

ok wise man build us a PC for 500 pounds. remember you have to include monitor / keyboard / mouse and sound and remember you said a "great Pc".

Also remember to include shipping costs just incase you decide to leave that out.

Very well: http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1142/budgetpc.jpg

I didn't include a monitor and OS, just like you wouldn't need to include a TV into the costs of a console (which I assure you, will always cost more than a dedicated PC monitor + OS). Don't even start with the "but everyone has a TV" argument, I know a lot of people who solely use their PC w/ internet for all their media needs without any active cable subscription. In fact the only reason I want to buy a TV is to watch 1080p movies from my PC

Also for a little more money (about 30 pounds) you can get the 6770 instead of the GPU i chose for big performance boost. Only reason I didn't is because it would override the 500 mark.

Additionally, I'm pretty confident this could become even cheaper with the AMD route, but I really can't be arsed researching that just to prove a point to a random on the internet, no offense

Edit: it appears kastansa beat me with a much better build. In fact I was surprised I could compile even this in the ~5 mins of searching I did. Shows you the wonders of a little intelligence and motivation

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:43 am

Impressive. o:

Three years, not five, actually :blush:

However the mobo is now too old to bother upgrading more, so i'll have to start from the essentials the next time.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:47 am

ok wise man build us a PC for 500 pounds. remember you have to include monitor / keyboard / mouse and sound and remember you said a "great Pc".

Also remember to include shipping costs just incase you decide to leave that out.

http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=n00q1542&c=uk&l=en&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1&model_id=inspiron-15r-n5110

It is great enough for Skyrim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxm1eUd4L2E of Skyrim on 525m.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:51 pm

Three years, not five, actually :blush:

Mine's three years old too and plays Skyrim between High and Ultra

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:54 pm

I would hardly call any of the pc's you have listed as great and whats more there is no sound on 2-3 of them. Infact I would call them turds. A bottomscraqer.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:08 pm

You just proven my point by not proving yours. Generic? what brand is that. /sarcasm off

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:58 am

You just proven my point by not proving yours. Generic? what brand is that. /sarcasm off

While a generic power supply isn't recommended, a generic keyboard, mouse and case will cost that, if not less.

A proper PSU will only cost you ￡60, which is still only just over ￡500. It's been proven you can build a PC that will play games for ￡500. You're trying to prove a point that has no merit whatsoever.

With that PC, you could play Skyrim on high settings, which is better than a console.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:46 am

Knowing PC gamers get a better experience is a sacrifice you need to be willing to make when buying a console. I made that sacrifice and I'm still happy.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:31 am

You just proven my point by not proving yours. Generic? what brand is that. /sarcasm off

You did make some valid points, like you need to be knowledgeable with PC components to take advantage of self build budgeting. Some older graphic cards and processors are cheaper and better than later models for example. However, the fact remains you can play Skyrim and most modern games on a PC that doesn't cost a fortune.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:11 am

The console is primarily a testing tool, invaluable for mod development. Moreover, the TES console is fairly powerful. You can easily irreparably damage your saves with it.

Or cheat to get trophies/achievements, which is another reason why Sony/Microsoft doesn't like the idea.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:56 pm

I would hardly call any of the pc's you have listed as great and whats more there is no sound on 2-3 of them. Infact I would call them turds. A bottomscraqer.

You really don't have any idea what you're talking about, do you? But it's all right, as I said in my previous post I don't judge you for it. I'm very happy you found your needs in the more accessible console category!

Enjoy Skyrim!

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:17 am

prove your point before making an argument that you can build a pc for 500 dollars or pounds or your input is useless to me.

although it's already been proven here's another http://www.build-gaming-computers.com/gaming-desktop-computer.html

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:13 am

You just proven my point by not proving yours. Generic? what brand is that. /sarcasm off

Who is beeing ignorant and elitist here?

I love this thread so much, please go on.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:18 am

I would like Sony and Microsoft to allow console commands on consoles, just so I can see you come here and moan about your console overheating after you spawned 40 or 50 enemies through console commands.

Two Worlds II.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:08 am

Why does my Prius have so much less power than a Ferrari? IT'S NOT FAIR!

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:56 am

You get what you pay for.