In all fairness, the Creation Kit can't, but the modules created by the script extender can.

And the amount of ignorance here is unbelievable. If Skyrim wasn't for consoles, it wouldn't have anywhere near the sales and popularity it has now. From Bethesda's viewpoint, they wouldn't have plowed huge amounts of money into DX11, a 64Bit EXE and a completely re-done performance engine for the return they would have had, consoles or no consoles.

Bethesda need money. Consoles let them have more money, spread the game, make the series popular and gets everyone talking about it. Sure, the PC has more capabilities, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with the console versions at all. This game has become something of a legend in sales and popularity at the moment, something that just wouldn't have happened if it was PC only. They wouldn't have had the budget, the time or the motivation to make the game like it is now for just the PC.

If anything, we have consoles to thank for turning this series into such a success.

[puts hand up]

As for PC build prices. ￡450 is more than enough for a Skyrim build. Add another ￡200 if you want to future proof it for few years.

I love how almost all console users on this thread have developed the notion that everyone that doesn't play on a console is an "elitist" and "ignorant.

I'm a terrible person because I like my PC?

And likewise consoles seems to be the cause for everything bad that ever happened to anyone anywhere.

God PC users have such a superiority complex they'd even demand that more time be spent on higher resolution textures, animation and models which will all get replaced by mods no matter how well they done it and not get more money for it, but someone says a base feature should have been better/is too buggy you'll be the first to call them whiners and say with the size of the world it's reasonable to be the way it is, imagine how much more time changing textures in that massive world will take.

I accept mods and commands won't be added for the many reasons they havent been but seriously blaming consoles and saying its a poor console port to pc is beyond, they needed a line to stop at even if no console version existed and that 6 or is it 8 or maybe 16 if you could make up your mind year old technology has be choosen as a suitable line, that now isn't the time to make people need to go out and spend more money on technology, engines and programming hasnt really reached any new heights in that time in a stable usable cost effective form, nor would they sell that much more making more of a return on it if they had choosen a much higher cut off, while upsetting some long term fans that aren't console users and owners but have not and cannot go out and get a new pc for the game, the 5 year gap hasn't helped.

PS. PC games are cheaper then consoles and short of falling into a bargain bin for 99p will always be found new cheaper on pc. The cost of your pc doesn;t matter, you should have realised when paying 2000 for the latest models youd not see it to its fullest use in games for a few years but thats your choice but it pc world doesn't provide Bethesda any more funding then microsoft and sony does to get the exclusives, timed exclusives and a version on thier console. if you want to add a $ to show the greed of a company in thier name theres one at the top of the forum thats more appropriete.

I understand why consoles have no mods and patches require a longer waiting period because Bethesda isn't fully in charge there. On PC they can release small improvements over a longer period. On consoles it is prefered that developers release fewer but more substiantial patches.

What I don't understand is why they won't allow us to access the console. I would like to change my character's looks and it shouldn't be too much for 360/ps3 to do. Of course if we use the console than there is a change that we do something that is too resource intensive for our console and it crashes. But the same is true for PC, it is just our own responsibility to 'cheat' like that. The arguments that consoles can't do it because they are too weak does not hold up for this.

Nevertheless I do not feel as if the console version is dumbed down. It is the version that is most in-tune with Bethesda's vision. They are compleetly in charge of it because the console market has never demanded anything else. Where as PC gamers often desire to mod their games, it is normal for developers to give them access to such things. So I like that we're getting the most optimized version of the game, designed with our hardware in mind, but a console feature would have been nice.

That's because..guess what...

Consoles are old. If it was PC only, it'd have a looooot more content on release.~

But thinking every PC gamer is an elitist? Please explain the reasoning behind that.

You also, apparently, don't have anything better to spend your money on than PC components ...

And what exactly is that suppose to mean? I got this PC two years ago.

We don't need to buy food or clothes, or pay rent, travel, socialise ... I think it means we're robots! In which case, PC users own. Hahah.

People who claim that you have to spend "thousands of dollars" on a gaming PC and then "upgrade it yearly" are utterly clueless. In fact, for the average gamer who buys a healthy amount of games per year a gaming PC can easily turn out to be cheaper: thanks to the large gap between consoles and gaming PC's these days it's very possible to build a great PC for 400-500€ that can run most games (even the ones developed for PC) on max, which is only 150-250€ more expensive than console. Once the purchase of games starts rolling, where console games are retailed at 60€ and very slowly drop in price in contrast to PC games which start at 40-50€ and quickly drop in price (also think Steam sales, which saved me easily hundreds upon hundreds of euros) you end up spending A LOT less money.

That said, I don't hate console users. I understand and even appreciate the appeal of consoles due to their accessibility and more casual approach (no need to have even basic technical understanding unlike on a PC). I do however dislike the industry's approach nowadays where consoles are practically bottlenecking game development with current PC hardware lightyears ahead of what consoles can handle (again; no ill intent, just the truth). Hopefully this'll become a little better when the next generation of consoles are released and the gap is cut into so I can use my hardware for what it was meant for.

I enjoy playing a few rounds of Halo 3 or even kinect games with my stepbrother on his Xbox 360. I also find the Wii to be great fun at my best mate's house for a little variety. But at the end of the day I understand my own demands as a gamer and realize I belong with a gaming PC, where I can happily spend hours tweaking, modding and configuring games to their optimal state; where I have total freedom. Which is in my opinion the biggest price you pay for a console, far outreaching the meager € & $ price tags. Some (or rather a lot) of people are willing to do that because they simply don't seek more behind gaming and I don't judge them for that, the same way PC gamers should not be judged for wanting to get more out of their games.

Peace

So, now the argument is that PCs are too expensive?

..And? Expensive things are BETTER. That's how it works.

ok wise man build us a PC for 500 pounds. remember you have to include monitor / keyboard / mouse and sound and remember you said a "great Pc".

Also remember to include shipping costs just incase you decide to leave that out.

Wow, didn't now that. Some how if they make it for PC only they manage to put in more stuff in the same amount of time. Impressive.


Yea, don't know where they get that from

Yup, they had to balance the content for three platforms. Only for one? It would take a LOT less time. Impressive, isn't it?

Or you can just go to a brick and mortar and leave shipping costs out ...?

1000 - 2000 dollars? That's ridiculous. I've bought mine for 500 dollars a couple years ago and it's still enough for Skyrim.

In fact, I've always considered console a thing to buy if you have extra money to spare. PC is a neccesity, you can work on it, play, explore web, and much other things - and you aren't limited in ways to do so. You can tweak it the way you please.

Console? It's just a toy for rich kids.

And Skyrim for console? Nah, that's just paying more money for half a game it could possibly be.

This is such a ridiculous thread, Bethesda already said they'd like to add it to consoles if they can, if you want to complain take it up with Microsoft/Sony who likely prevented Bethesda from putting it in.

But that means it's running Windows 3.1 and can't play anything but solitaire. You must now buy $5000 worth of components to make it good for five minutes

Most of the time it isnt cheaper when you get to hold the product in your hands because people you see in the store has to be paid. Electricity for showcasing products. Customer service cost alittle additional.

That is plain B.S. IMO......
No I do not mind no mods on 360. But even Vanilla Morrowind was more detailed in gameplay in so many ways compared to Oblivion and Skyrim. They are just playing the casual gamer card to dumb the games down. Instead of making the complainers and whinners actually play a detailed game, it is all handed to them on a silver platter. I see too many people come on these forums and QQ about the most inane non sense. I lost my character because I didn't save enough and so on. Gamers today expect the companies to hold their hand every step of the way and change their frikkin diapers too.....lol 360 could handle alot more then they want to put into the game, BGS and other companies are just too lazy to do it.

My son when he was 14 couldn't stand trying to play Morrowind and now that he is in college. I am ordering him the GOTY with Bloodmoon and Tribunal. Atleast now he has the patience and want to enjoy it. Goes to show it is the attention span of the age group....lol

And the exact same thing can be said if they made it for 360 only or PS3 only. Your point is?

Contrary to popular belief, my computer runs just fine. I can play Skyrim on medium-high. I don't really care about graphics as long as they're not ass ugly.

prove your point before making an argument that you can build a pc for 500 dollars or pounds or your input is useless to me.

The company I get stuff from on the odd blue moon (i.e. every 3-4 years) charges less if you collect it yourself.