I don't think it hurts anyone IF Bethesda does decide to add it to the game. It's YOUR choice, and the argument can be made that humanoids can learn a lot of things, so why can't we learn all the perks? Hmm?

i maxed stealth...moved onto a few magick schools...maxed those ( missing a perk or two, shadow warrior really? no thanks ) now working on heavy armor , and 2 handed... still putting those perks into other things though...but i dont get why anyone would want to "respec"... lvling up does slow down at higher lvls an my main is now at 61 and climbing and not once have i thought "i wanna respec"... perks aside...just go be what u want to be... even on master without perks and with few exceptions there not much you cant handle if you know what you doing. Jeez i still have to get to 81 im playing on master and im forced to gimp myself to stay challenged.If what the OP suggests ever does happen , an already overpowered single player experience will only make things silly...

Because people likes and dislikes are different. There are simply people who want the OPTION to be able to reset perks.

Think of the reset perk as an option to change Diffuculty Level. There's a choice between Novice, Adept, Expert and Master, you have the OPTION to be able to choose which difficulty level you want at any given time.

Think about this: just because you don't want to be able to respec, does that mean nobody should be able to?
I'd say allow respec. People that don't want to respec just don't use it, it's not like it's a huge gamebreaker or anything ...

Yes but some people fail grasp that this is not the world we live in, this is Tes universe were the world works differently. So comparing it to some situations we encounter is fine but not everything is the same.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Here's the real reason the OP (would bet my hat on it) and most others arguing against the addition of convenience features like perk respecs do so: they lack self-control, while simultaneously being control freaks where others are concerned.



Just like with fast travel/magical map/compass/etc., they argue and rail and moan and wail that it should not be added.
"It would destroy immersion!" "It's a slap-in-tha-face!" "Casuals win again!"


All it takes is a half-second of critical thought somewhere along these lines...

"Well, I mean, it's optional. If you really don't want it, then don't use it. As far as your game is concerned, it doesn't exist, so long as you stick to your guns and ignore the feature."

...to realize that the real reason most "hardkore fanz" don't want these kind of quality-of-life improvements added is because they lack the willpower to stick to said guns. They realize they have zero self-control, lack a sense of personal responsibility and require an outside influence to keep themselves in line.
They NEED the feature to not exist, because if it did they'd be overwhelmed by the temptation and be all over that new hotness the very day it was patched in. And then they'd become one of the so-called "casual scum" they see as a blight upon their chosen genre of gaming.


I remember three friends of mine a few years back, wailing and moaning about fast travel in Oblivion.

I kept my mouth shut about it, because even though I had no plans to use it, for the same reasons they were ranting about (spoils immersion, ruins the flow of the game, you just plain miss too much potentially exciting stuff when you warp passed it) I couldn't understand how adding new options for players was a bad thing.

It was pretty clearly a no downside kind of deal to me, given that it was an entirely optional feature in a single-player game, and so long as I didn't use the feature it didn't exist in my single-player world.
Others who wanted to use the feature could, which was a good thing. I wasn't forced to use the feature, which was a good thing. All good things, right? So why the harsh words? Why all the anger being vented at the "casuals"?

A few weeks after release, came to find out that all three of them had been spamming fast-travel every time they had to move in one direction for longer than thirty seconds.



So yeah, ladies. Keep protesting. I know what the score really is, and so do you.
I hope they do add a respec perk feature. Not for myself, because I am a habitual altoholic and it wouldn't stop me from re-rolling a new character every five minutes so I'd never rack up enough perk points for it to matter to me.

But for my fellow gamers, who would like the feature added. An optional, non-invasive, may-as-well-not-exist-as-far-as-I'm-concerned feature. Because I have a measure of self-control, and more options are always a good thing, even if I never plan to utilize them.


ALL HAIL OPTIONS!

There is a major difference between fast travel and the compass and respecs. Turning the compass off and not using fast travel is a considerably worse option than choosing not to use a respec option, because they designed the quests with fast travel and a compass in mind - you won't get good directions from NPCs, fetch quests will send you across the world and back, etc. etc. because they assume we can just follow the arrow and fast travel. If you compared the directions given in Morrowind to Skyrim you'd notice a considerable difference, and you'd also probably notice most quests - especially low level quests - don't send you as far from the quest giver. Plus with Morrowind, you had options such as silt striders and boats that you don't have in Skyrim. So I don't think it's comparable to respecs, because the respec option doesn't impact the game design for those who don't want the option.

What's wrong with an option? I agree with the first post on this page.

Technically having a perk tree in the first place is illogical as with dedication and money you should be able to learn every skill they call a perk. It makes zero sense to be a master at block but not be able to defect arrows, or be a master at conjuration and never have any summons improved or mana cost decrease.

Choices is another failed argument because this is not Fallouts Perks. This is a skill tree where many of the skills are flat out required. If it was Fallout Perks that would make sense since you are only permitted one per level the argument of well if you wanted the special arrow ability then why didn't you invest in it!? Would make 100 percent logical sense but since you are only awarded one point per level the argument becomes why didn't you get that arrow move? Because I had to invest the point in another skill tree.

Yeah it works but I've seen it done better in most other RPGs I've played when they had such a system. The only thing really innovative about Skyrim's is the constellation look other than that is is miles behind other RPGs.

As for it respecing not being logical here are two explainations:
Magic: Since Alteration is a class of magic that specifically alters the properties of the world and even has a spell that transmutes metal not having some alteration magic for reallocation of skill points makes zero sense.

Daedric or Aedric Blessing: Their gods they can pretty much do it. If they can't allow a mortal to respec then that really is a blow to their supposed all powerfulness.

this is a good point. clearly changing the difficulty in the middle of a battle (or the game) is a cheap tactic, but i've yet to hear a movement to get that option stricken from the game. respec isn't even really a debate; you either want the feature or not. trivial matters of opinion typically make for poor debates.

taking up resources: the truth is, they have multiple teams working on multiple aspects of the game. what one should say is, 'i want them working on features I want, not on features You want.'

the game has no choices or consequences, let's not delude ourselves. let's take it all the way. in fact, in light of all the changes they made i'm quite surprised a respec option didn't make it in.

respec doesn't hurt replay value. what hurts replay value is skyrim is not an rpg and the great majority of quests are boring, linear, poorly written, and of the 'do or don't do' nature; there's very little role playing at all in this game. the game lets you become head of all major guilds, the deciding factor in a poorly written civil war questline, the slayer of dragons with the soul of a dragon bestowed by the blessing of a deity, the savior of the known world, and people are worried about other players creating an unrealistically powerful character with a respec option? these same people should also petition to disallow mods.

the fact beth so encourages modding is proof to me they want everyone to be happy with their product and have the ability to tailor their experience to their exact tastes. if part of someone's tastes is a respec option, then so be it. (despite my criticisms of beth, i have great respect for them and what they are trying to achieve; modding is one example where they not only 'get it', but get it right).

lastly: it's quite foolish to make assumptions about another's moral character based on how they play a video game or what features they want in a video game. ad hominem attacks are a logistical phallacy reserved for the weak of intellect.

I'm sure they are. The point is, if opinions about the game are so polarizing, what can bethsda really do?

Sorry you don't agree or aren't aware of what is happening in the gaming industry but what I said was the truth regardless of your ability, or inability, to recognize that fact.

I agree with just about everything you had to say, but this line doesn't cut it for me. I want them working on BUG fixes and not so much new features. I would think that fixing bugs is a 'feature' everyone would want.

LOL this is the most heated argument I've seen since me and my friend argued for 5 hours about how halo wasnt as good as call of duty and then we started to talk politics hahaha I love video games.

oh and about the subject Elder Scrolls is a game series about choice within your character, you make a choice its done, you cannot change it. Just like in Mass Effect, your choice to leave characters behind/choose to side with them about the genophage is permanent you cannot take that back. In Elder Scrolls you may say "I wish none of this had happened," and my response would be "So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the knowledge that is given to us." That is the nature of an RPG. lol

Yep. I've posted this in every argument for or against respecs. Its something that has been true since the days of Pokemon, lol.

they do have people working on bug fixes. and they have people working on new content. dlc is big business. there is no changing their structure, it is set. this is the model companies use especially large teams like the one skyrim has. i agree i would like as many bugs stamped out before new content, but it's not going to happen. like laying off half the team when work is done, this is standard in the industry.

You are talking to someone who is at home right now after getting laid off from a software company, believe me, I know.

Funny, about an hour ago I applied for a job using software I helped create on their website... bah!

Don't really care if it's added or not, i've never used it in any game that has it. Not even Dead Sapce 2 to undo weapon upgrades

Wait, i actually did use the modded one for Dragon Age Origins, to re-spec the initial skills of companions to better fit my idea of the party. Never on my character.



Especially since adding features adds more bugs. See kill cams and mounted combat

Perc reallocation in this game makes sense.

It makes sense for MISTAKES:

I put 4 points into 4/5 of the FIRST heavy armor perk section. 3 of those are wasted, since
you eventually get way above the 467 cap.

I did not know that at the time, not knowing about the AC cap.

I wanted they other heavy armor stuff, but just 1/5 in that first thing would be sufficient.

Currently, in stuff like legendary heavy imperial armor, I'm something like 1600 ac.



I have a couple other points in things I did not need. Perhaps they should not let you reallocate ALL points, but how about
letting us reallocate a MISTAKE reallocation?

10 points or so? Would that be too much to ask? It would not let someone reskill on a character, say going from a mainly
melee to a mainly mage, but it would allow for mistakes.

Like put in a one time shot 10 skill point reallocation, per character you have.

Or maybe allowing me to go around to the other sides without wasting perks. My Altmer misses Daedric Weapons.

Roninraver nailed it. This argument shouldn't even be an argument because it is a Single Player game.

I wanted to give my reason for wanting it. I am a casual gamer because I do not have very much time at all to play (career, kids, etc).

So, I just do not have the time to start a new character. I usually only get one character to play over the course of a year. It would be nice to play one way, and then be able to play another way with the same character because I would like to try different things at the higher levels. And yes, I know I would miss out on some things in the beginning of the game, but that is my choice.

^this +10

cant you make daedric at the atronach forge w/o the perk?

I just assumed that dragon bone weapons would be the same way, some special forge somewhere in either castle volkihar or the dawnguard fortress.

Mods, i did not get into the beta, so if what i said is true im not meaning to leak any information, its just really good logical speculation

also i didnt read past that comment i quoted, so sorry if i repeated something