Exactly, and that's the reason that keeps me coming back for more.

This. Other than that, the other points are valid.

What about the perks that don't work or break other perks? in a perfect world I would agree but that's not the case.

I would like to just respond to your observations. I realize I'm in the minority here, so no need to attack me. This is just my opinion.

1. Honestly, I feel like this isn't a good reason to not do something. For all intents and purposes, this is a video game. If you were worried about if it is possible to do in real life, how are you ok with dragons, magic and raising dead? I know I don't play games for realism. If I wanted realism, I would shut down my PS3 and go outside. If you are going to reject someone's idea based on something you are concerned about, I would appreciate that concern being true and for the entire game, not just one aspect.

2. I use the same counter-arguement for this one that I used above, but: I could put absolutely no perks into smithing or enchanting and still wear these items. I don't need the ebony perk to wear ebony armor. Although one thing I would agree with is that if you want the ability to make the best, it would be overpowered to be able to make the best, drop the perks and then put it into something else. Which is something you didn't point out.

3. Are there really any consequences in this game that can make or break your experience? Other than the civil war quests, there really isn't anything that comes to mind. And even the civil war quests just involve a few NPCs being moved somewhere else. I mean, hell, you kill an incredibly important person in the Dark Brotherhood quest and yet absolutely nothing happens to you. I mean, if you want to argue consequences, argue for the game in its entirety.

4. Ah, replay value. I would like to point out a certain game: Borderlands. This game, for those who don't know, is a FPS/RPG hybrid. You get a decent skill tree and an action skill. The game allows you to RESPEC for a nominal fee. I've played this game 10x more (3 different characters, 100 hours each) than Skyrim and yet, I have respeced my charecters numerous times. If a game is good, and you enjoy the game, more than not you will keep playing. Another thing to note, is this option would be just that: AN OPTION. No one forces you to do it. If you had a huge problem with a side quest's plot, sure you would complain, but would you do it? Of course not. Not if you didn't want to do it. Does anyone complain that there is a choice to choose sides for the civil war? I don't think so.

Long story short, I feel as though these reasons are reasonable, there are other things that should be noted. Adding a RESPEC option will not detract from your personal gameplay, only add to others'. Nor will it detract from replayability. The quests don't repeat themselves, nor is there a second playthrough. I shouldn't have to go through another 30 hours of gameplay to switch a top-teir perk with another. Plus, why lose all the loot I had? Most spawns are random.

This is really just my opinion.

There no no logical reason for wanting this in. The only real argument I see from those that want a respec is basically we ant it because its easier to redo our character and change them from a powerful warrior to a mage just like that. Lol

1. Relearning perks doesn't need to be logical. It's basically a non-factor for immersion, perks themselves are game mechanics/stats and the selection of them is done in a menu outside the game world. It's not logical that our character can suddenly improve dramatically on level ups, sometimes in areas unrelated to what they did to gain that level up. Not to mention all the other illogical things that don't particularly bother most players. It's not logical that we can eat an apple in combat instantly, or make 100 potions(or iron daggers) incredibly rapidly, etc. etc.

2. There are many exploits in the game already, not that I'd like a new one but at least in this case the line is pretty clear and you know you're exploiting. On PC we have console commands, yet it's clear using them for cheating is cheating, it doesn't cause any issues.

3. Perk choices will still matter, you can just as easily stick with your perks as change them.

4. If you want to try a new play style, you can still start over to do so. And some players might want to test various builds out on their high level save before committing to a new one.


None of these are good arguments.

Perk re-allocation is already available for PC through console commands and I'd assume there's probably a mod by now. No PC users seem to be complaining about it.

The gamers who want reallocation abilities and such are really the gamers who Bethesda is gearing their games toward. They want profit. It's no longer about making the best RPG video game, it's about making the largest group of gamers happy possible, no matter what they have to change about their game. Those of us who want more RPG elements, less hand holding, we are now the minority. If Bethesda thinks the ability to reallocate will mean more sales, they will do it. If they think flying monkeys will increase their sales by 100,000 units, get ready for flying monkeys. It's just the way things are now. All you can do is speak up and hope your voice is heard.

People asked for it in Fallout 3 it never happend they asked for it in New Vegas it never happened.(traits don't count). Its never going to happen by level 81 you have 80 perks that leaves enough room to waste twenty or thirty. People and whine and !@#$%@ until the end of time. Its not going to happen. Bethesda may leave in exploits that act as cheats but they don't intentionally add cheats themselves.

Nope there isn't a mod to do that, there are cheat mods that let you more easily remove and add perks then using the console commands but no simple erase all your perks and give you back perk points.

Borderlands has a focus on multiplayer where respec is actually required because your competing against other players.

I see what you did there. Good ol' BASIC. I recently got into using a 3D offshoot (Blitz3d) of it to make a game.

I think this is just another way to appease the crowd that wants all the hand holding fast travel and the all knowing compass and so on.

To use the PC to open console commands to reperk your character is still cheap and if there was a mod for it its still cheap, why would anyone to eliminate all choice and consequences for making a specific build?

This is nonsensical drama, I don't know why so many people seem to think it's newsworthy that companies want to make money. Not that perk reallocation is some kind of terrible hand holding feature. We didn't even have perks in previous games and you could end up with 100 in all stats and skills. If anything the perk system is an example of TES series moving in the opposite direction you suggest, because perks are more limited than any stat in previous games. Combat is also more difficult in Skyrim than Morrowind or Oblivion - granted it's still terrible, broken in several major places, and can be trivialized in a variety of ways taking advantage of certain flawed mechanics or exploits, but still. If you're going to complain about hand holding maybe use a better example like the quest arrow.

Eh, I don't have a reason to use perk relocation. Unless I wanted to edit a characters perks to make a better dawnguard character without completely starting over. Other than that, I'm not going to bash anyone if they want it.

No, it's not nonsensical drama, it's the truth and if you don't know that it's the truth, then there is really no reason to attempt to communicate to you because your mind is set.

It's the same people that use the Oghma glitch, the fortify restoration glitch and exploit crafting to deal 500 damage...

Just idiots who play skyrim like it's call of duty, how can I be the best straight away.

I'd hate it if they introduced a re-spec option, I also wish they'd patch those ridiculous exploits.

According to Odd Hermit, this is nonsensical drama.


I don't even know about those exploits, and I don't want to know.

I seen, me and him usually agree on things but on this we must agree to disagree, but I still think that my statement stands.

Since this is my first post here, I accept that I may be simply replaying an old tune. We can carry a huge number of weapons, armor and spells, but get to,pick which ones we want to use at any given moment. Why not allow the same flexibility with perks? You should be able to unlock all of them in time, but have to pick which ones are active at each moment, just as you switch weapons to suit your current situation.

Why in the world would you want to pick what was active instead of just snaking your character and having them learn their trade and be able to use the skills they have learned you get to to 80 perks which is a high level cap.

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NEVER gonna happen. Case closed

So allow me to broaden my perspective for you.

It's a game, filled with magic, dragons, magical surgery (Dawnguard), gods and ungods/demons/whatever, yet the ability to forget and learn a new is far-fetched?

LOL

Yes, in fact, try mastering a guitar, and then stop playing it completely and start doing other stuff. After 10 years, picking up the guitar again ain't gonna go that swell..

I agree with you though, whole respec thing is totally idiotic, it ruined my Diablo experience for a nice bit. It's so not RPG thing.

By the by, I wonder how many of these people that say we shouldn't have the ability to respec also play on PC. Because, like, the irony.....I can almost taste it in my mouth.

You mean, your lack of self control ruined your Diablo.

Sorry, I felt like I needed to paraphrase your post.