Thanks for the opinions, it has actually slightly changed mine. Still not a Great RPG, but it can be considered a Type of RPG I guess. Maybe. ... A little bit. Well I dunno, its todays version of an RPG. Sad.

Anyway, was trying to get my point across not start a flame war. But I guess I made it too blatant for some people and I apoligise. I believe the way I do and that wont change, other people are the same too, I agree to disagree haha, but if you wana argue I find it fun when I'm bored and stuck in bed injured

So here's the reasons why I don't consider Skyrim to be an RPG. EDIT, Change that to Proper RPG.

Also wanted to establish that I do enjoy the game, but I dont feel that it is a proper RPG. It's the closest we get these days, but it is definitely not. Bit by bit TES games have had their RP elements taken away, and replaced with FPS type elements. (Combat, Direction markers etc)

TL;DR in spoiler

First, an RPG is what? A Role playing game. A game designed for you to be able to take on the role of the hero and integrating into the world.. Basically pretending to be in this other world. Since you are usually some sort of chosen or powerful person, you tend to end up saving the world/town. The reason for character progression is, like in real life, you get better at things as you do them. It should not be the focus of the game, but it should be part of it. In order to get things done, you should act like you would in a real world.. eg. research it or ask people about it. I'm sure more experienced role players than myself will think of more things a RPG should have..

Skyrim has some of these things, but they do not seem to be the focus of the game. To me it is a mix of Genre. First and foremost I would say an Action Adventure game, with elements from FPS games and RPG's.

In Skyrim you can just ignore the dialogue (what little dialogue there is anyway) and follow the marker to your next target, and unless you are accepting a quest, it doesn't really matter what you say at all.
In Skyrim the most of the skills are more about how good YOU are as a gamer, than how good your character is at his trade.
In Skyrim nobody seems to care about what's going on or how you act. It feels like you are wasting your time.
There are more things like this, and it makes the world feel dead for me. Nobody anywhere seems to Really care about anything, other than the Scripted main NPC's. Skyrim misses so many crucial points for role playing…

There are elements to Skyrim which make it possible to RolePlay, but you have to go a long way out of your way to do so. It misses so many things that should be in an RPG..

The game is focused more on getting everyone into the action as soon as possible and less on letting you interact with the world you're in. So yes, it does have RPG elements, but it is not its main function, so it should not be categorized as an RPG.

...Is this a joke topic? Because it looks like a joke topic.

Son, you've never actually played a WRPG before in your life, have you?

Skyrim is a football game with dragons.

Funny thread. Oh, you're serious?

Fixed. The Elder Scrolls V: Gridiron!

What, like, BG1&2, Fallout 1,2,-NV, NWN... I dunno MW? Played them..

Thats just like saying Battlefield isnt a FPS.

Skyrim is as good as todays RPGs get. Compared to the ones 10 years ago skyrim is nothing but an action adventure, but today it is an rpg. Its a bit sad the industry has become like this..

in your opinion. most won't agree though.

You make statements but have no reasons, this confuses me.

Skyrim matches your own description of RPG.. which confuses me more.

But essentially your argument would also be the same as stating that Live Action Roleplaying, is not Roleplaying. Which would also be wrong.

I disagree, because Skyrim has many elements essential to an RPG, and my only real criticism is the lack of dialogue choice in some fairly major character building decision points.

And what do you define as WRPG? Diablo?

RPG = World of Darkness PnP (ex-Tremere clan member here )

Action/RPG = Skyrim


Skyrim may not be the prototypical RPG, but it's still a good game with RPG elements nonetheless.

Because Skyrim is an ARPG, action roleplaying game, instead of a CRPG or D&D style RPG.

I don't care about what anybody else thinks. I'm playing Skyrim as an RPG and I'm having fun.

[rant] Wrong move, Pally. You are criticising the game. Now the Dovahkids are gonna jump on you like you were a school sport matress. [/rant]

Well, this is the actual development. You can't roleplay if you do not want to read. I have a somewhat similar opinion on that matter, but you simply can't change it.
Besides, Elder Scrolls games have always been more action-oriented RPG, due to 3d- and realtime reasons.
Try to compare it with Formula One racing or if you are U.S. - the Indycar series. Older drivers surely say that the young drivers are sissies because they have too many electronical gadgets helping them drive (I read that somewhere). Time for "real" RPGs is over, definitely. Nobody wants to read a book while playing. And the definition of RPG is always given by the actual gamers. Imagine what people call music or sixuality and what older people would say to that. Seriously, sometimes I feel like a dinosaur but that is how things go.

GTA San Andreas has many of the essential elements of an RPG also, but I would not call that an RPG. Fun game though.

Even CoD has some elements of RPG's now, at least the progression part. Having elements of an RPG, does not make the game an RPG to me..


Topic above, I like the car anolergy as I like to compete on the track. And its true. But an F1 driver will be faster in most cars with the TCS ABS & stability control switched off. Hence cars like the Nissan GTR 2012 having the ability to switch them off... And people that drive with them on Do get a Lot of stick at the track haha.

Completely agree. The moment they dumbed down Skyrim this much it became an Action/Adventure game.

Madden 401, people

RPG is in the mind though right? If you play as different characters, and the game allows you to progress as different types (be it warrior, mage, thief, trader etc) then it fits. You seem to be taking your own shortcomings and projecting them onto the game. The game doesn't recognise your character enough? Isn't it enough that you're playing it AS that character, and progressing?

I hate to break it to you, but gaming as a whole does this thing we call "evolve". Now, you may not like this direction for an RPG, but TES is among the best ones out there, and often set standards others expect games to follow. You can't expect everything to play like a final fantasy. Hell, the gameplay here is so similar to morrowind it isn't even funny. So a complaint of yours is that you can walk away in the middle of a conversation...

You can do that in Dungeons and Dragons, too. Clearly, D&D is not an RPG.

Your character has to train in a skill to be any good at it, and those perks are what we call focused specs. Even if you switch to a magic build, if you spent all your time as a warrior before, your magic svcks, no matter how good your skills as a gamer are.

Because of this, and because most RPGs do this, clearly, most RPGs are not RPGs.


Third coun---Wait, have you even PLAYED this game? Shoot, I've had guards deeply respect me for being the Harvenger of the Companions. People I've helped out thank me, and even give me gifts. People notice my werewolf nature by my smell, and even fur between the ears. And if I go werewolf in a town? HOO, boy, am I in trouble. My deeds are recognized, my dilly-dallying is complained about... Dood, it's like you've not even played the game if you're claiming that third point.

well played...naming all of the immortal RPGs on this forum.

name one outside the box....

edit: expecting another DnD title or maybe Earthbound

BG and NWN are both based on various iterations of D&D.

Speaking of which, there's hasn't been a good Forgotten Realms game since Mask of the Betrayer. Makes me kind of sad really.

Skyrim is certainly more Action-Adventure/RPG than straight RPG. It's not really a bad thing though, Oblivion was kind of the same way anyway.

How am I supposed to take you seriously when you say this:

and then proceed to post another one of the threads that annoy even you..?