Wow. Such a large number of Oblivion characters listed here!

Oh no. Wait. Nah, it's just descended into bickering over the Shivering Isles instead. Meh.

Your just jelous of his dancing moves

Yeah, he sure danced when I Fus-Ro-Dah-ed him off the throat of the world.

The way I see it is that the events of Oblivion could have happened in any order, including SI. Sure most people played the main quest before the SI main quest but in honesty its not clear when the events of SI happened in relation to when the main quest happened. We know for a fact that the events of SI happened after Uriel Septim was assasinated but its not specific on whether SI events happened before or after the end of Oblivions main quest.

My point is that Sheogorath could have been there as the player could have played through SI before the end of the main quest. Also Sheogorath could have appeared in the area to watch the events unfold but just hidden himself from being seen by mortals. I'm positive that Daedric Princes have the ability to make themselves invisible should they want. Afterall, mortals have that ability, why shouldnt a Daedric Prince?

I also believe that the events that we played through when playing Oblivion did happen. The events of Shivering Isles happened, the events involving the Knights of the Nine happened etc. They all happened. The question is did the CoC do any of these events or did someone else? The only thing we know as a fact is that the events involving the main quest, the Oblivion Crisis, involved the CoC. The rest of the events coul have involved anyone else, we just had the ability to play through it with our CoC character should we want to. If the CoC decided not to enter the Shivering Isles then someone else would have stepped up to enter and take part in the events that unfolded there. Just like the questlines for the DB or the Thieves Guild or the Mages guild. Its not clear whether the CoC did these things or not, but someone did.

That said, my Oblivion character did a lot of the stuff in Oblivion like the SI etc and it was nice to hear a reference to my previous character, even if it could be interpreted as something else.

Also, food for thought, Sheogorath is the Prince of Madness so would it not make sense that he may be yanking your chain, pulling your leg or what not? He could be just having a laugh at your expense by saying he was there when he may not have been. Sounds like something that Sheogorath would do.

Anyways, to the OP: Shadowmere is in Skyrim as well as Oblivion and I think there are a few others that are descendants of people in Oblivion.

I'm not going to get involved in the off topic Shivering Isles babble, but I have 2 cents to spend:

Shivering Isles could just as well have been a mind trick, a period of lunacy, or a dream. Anything is possible with Sheo. To say it must be canon because it was in-game is denying the madness that is Sheo. It's possible it really happened, but it's also entirely possible it didn't really happen. Discussing yes/no is pointless and futile.

No, he's not. The Adoring Fan was a High Elf and Cicero is an Imperial.

Bosmer, but close.

The http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Adoring_Fan. Cicero, being small in stature, could have easily disguised himself as a Bosmer.

I read in UESP that the nerevarine went on an expedition to Akavir near the end of the third era(the Oblivion Crisis) and hasn't been heard from since. I would imagine that we may get a DLC that involves Akavir since that's where the Blades are believed to have originated from. Maybe we'll see him alive or dead, who knows.

The Nerevarine left before that... Or didn't, it's a rumor. One that exists to explain why the Nerevarine is never heard from again. I doubt we'll see that character again.

That's the point of TES, all these heroic little people out there that save the world dissapear, they change they go bye-bye never to be heard from again. The same will happen to the Dragonborn of Skyrim.

As for the entire discussion about SI:

Yes, the CoC did do Shivering Isles, this is beyond doubt. All quest lines in games are always done and at least the main quests are done by the same person. Does this make the CoC Sheogorath however? Well that's a bit harder to say, perhaps Sheo came back after some time. Perhaps Sheo simply took over moving the CoC out of the equation, perhaps the CoC slowly grew into the role and became Sheogorath in the process. Whatever, take your pick it can go any of those ways and more.

The Adoring Fan was definitely a Bosmer. All the Wood Elf NPCs were shortarses in Oblivion, it seemed. A rare experiment in 'we-don't-have-dwarves-but we-can-have-short-people-in-TES' perchance?

The idea there was that he posed as an adoring fan, but only as far back as is reasonably possible for an Imperial. That being said, the whole thing is a reference to the Adoring Fan from Oblivion anyway.

Bosmer have always been relatively short afaik.

Not an experiment in 'we-don't-have-dwarves-but we-can-have-short-people-in-TES', but a "not every race can be the same length" reality. And there's a lot more to the Bosmer lore-wise then them being a sorry excuse for a dwarf-like race.

So... I'm the only person who has heard Sheogorath say "I used to know someone like you... No wait! I used to BE someone like you!" I believe he said this when I attempted to pickpocket him (You can't, but thats his "Keep your hands to yourself" line I think)

Oh right, Bosmer. I never spent much time with him


That's true but how would an Imperial be able to live for more than 200 years?

Simple, he didn't.
it's amazing how many people ignore the fact that the date written for the journal entry includes the year.

This isn't valid. Someone did what the Champion of Cyrodiil did. Someone did what the player of the expansions did. Among the things left vague, on purpose, are the specific choices made by the player. It's never stated, for example, that the Nerevarine was a legendary mage who headed the Mages' Guild. Nor that he was a werewolf.

Sheogorath says he was there at the time of the events of Oblivion, which is certainly true. But just as you might have done Shivering Isles and not the MQ, so might he. Or maybe he did both.

I’ve been trying to recreate this with no success, would you mind being specific about what you did or make a vid.

The events of Oblivion are not in dispute.
What is the point here is that it is certainly not canon that the Champion of Cyrodiil became the head of the thieves guild, fighters guild, mages guild, and the madgod as well.

This is not confirmed in any lore, the only hint the madgod gives is that he was present at certain events of Oblivion.
This does not mean he is the CoC.

As far as I am concerned, it would be exceedingly silly to propose that all those things were done by one person, and even if they were, later generations would not believe it and would say its an amalgam of several great heroes into one great big folk hero. Exactly like certain earth legends such as William Tell or Robin Hood.
I have always thought the main quest and the main quest only is the work of the hero of the game.

Hircine's hunt has happened around the time of the events of Morrowind, but unless there is some lore that specifically states it was the Nerevarine that participated I will assume it is another hero.

As I stated previously, the person that became the madgod mantled him.
He is the madgod now, as above so below, the smaller like the greater etc.

How did you guys come up with partitioning out the adventures to different heroes? It seems like the worst idea of all time, it drains the epic value from the hero and the adventure.

It is impossible to enter SI without being forced into the MQ of Oblivion. You are that same prisoner that witnessed the death of the Emperor, there is no way around this.

Only one person witnessed Martin become a dragon, that same person is Sheogorath in Skyrim.

As for Bloodmoon: "Later on, historians record another great deed of the Nerevarine. On the island of Solstheim, the Nerevarine thwarts the murderous plot of the great Daedric Prince Hircine by fulfilling the Bloodmoon Prophecy" - Third Era timeline at the Imperial Library.

Like said above, YOUR CoC might not but THE CoC did. The "another hero did it" is sillyness. Unless you rolled a different char for each DLC, well also avoiding the MQ. Even then so what?

You can’t avoid the MQ, you always start in that prison and you always witness the assassination. That starts the CoC quest line. You will have the Amulet of Kings in your inventory that whole time implying that the MQ will be impossible to complete without your participation. Considering that it was completed according to lore…

(i) There is no mention of the CoC anywhere else in Skyrim. Nerverine is rumored to go to Akavir. What did the CoC do? The lack of any answer to this is suggestive.
(ii) Sheo says that his title is passed down from himself to himself every few thousand years.

Now I grant that everything he says could be a lie, but why bother? Yes, I know that trying to discern the Madgod's motives is futile. But we ought to be able to guess at categories of possible motives, and I can see nothing.

Since this is Sheo, we can never be certain of anything. What evidence there is, points to Sheo being the CoC. For my money, Sheo is the CoC until more evidence comes in. YMMV.

Ok, but for the sake of this discussion I need to know what the denizens of Tamriel think, not out-of-game historians.

@at Dudeski: On the contrary, I find, and this is personal opinion mind, that everything being done by one person is boring and therefore wrong. I find it of the utmost sillyness and lack of invention.
I can easily imagine events where it is not set in stone who became the madgod, as who is to say that the CoC travelled through the portal at all? It is certainly not a stretch of the imagination to imagine someone else entirely taking Sheogoraths mantle.