You should study physics. Magnetism and gravity obey very different rules. I won't go into detail, but your comments about magnetism are silly.

Karkuxor wins again.

Fine then Electrostatic force and Magnetism, now you have two forces that are fundamentally the same working against one another.

Ok here is the solution :

Akatosh is the God of time
Anu is the primeval force
Auriel is an ascended god of elves pantheon
Alduin is son of akatosh demigod

Magnetism is gravity expressed another way.
Its all part of the (hypothetical) unifying force that combines electromagnetism, gravity and the weak and strong nuclear forces.
Just as space seen from a different angle/ viewpoint is time.
Its all part of the same principle.
Like how Lorkhan is Akatosh really.

Lorkhan is the gravity while Auriel and other Aedra are electromagnetism and weak nuclear force.

But Electrostatic and Magnetism is ok for Auriel and Magnus, as these two have too much over-lapping from what we see in the elven theology.

The way that I see it, doesn't the non-linear nature of the Dawn Era means that an entity can be in many places at once, doing conflicting things, making different decisions simultaneously and acting on them? I think it's irrelevant to talk in the historical terms of linear time/space. I think it's a tricky concept to get one's head around, but no harder really than the concept of the Holy Trinity, to which many people subscribe.

Auri-El is Akatosh is Alduin, except they are also separate entities, except they are the same entity... Like if a paranoid schizophrenic's alternate selves actually manifested?

Alduin is a god of the Nordic pantheon. A Divine has never had a son. It's pretty obviously symbolic. And 'son' in no way means lesser. How can he be a demigod son when there was no mortal mother?

Now to get back at the Skyrim book that claims the Altmer think their dragon king is the same as Mundus-loving Imperial Akatosh. Time to shank it with some Thalmor theology.

I took that as meaning that they acknowledge they are both the God of Time, rather than having the same religious meaning and philosophy attached to it. At the very least, they note Auriel is "colored by their own cultural beliefs."

I think we cannot ignore the fact that Akatosh was created by Alessia based on Auriel, so they certainly should share some traits besides they are both time dragon and Auriel is elven.

That's a valid interpretation, but one Skyrim's writers are fleeing from as fast as their feet will carry them.

Of course, their own refusal to engage with the material and say anything definitive means that Varieties of Faith still lives.

I have studied physics. The point is not that they act identically, but that they function similarly. Both are attractive physical forces, and all physical forces are governed by the same overarching physical Laws.

I don't have the exact quote, but the Bosmer who joins you just before the final mission of KotN names himself a devotee of 'Auri-El, or Akatosh in your tongue" something along those lines.

Alduin is Nordic Akatosh. He is still bloody Nordic Akatosh. Look, do us all a favor. Start off by reading the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/monomythand http://www.imperial-library.info/content/varieties-faith-empirefor the basic gist of "how all this works," remembering that all myths are true even/especially when they conflict. Then read The http://www.imperial-library.info/content/fight-one-eating-birth-dagon, and then swap the name "Aka-Tusk" with "Bormahu." When you do that it all makes sense. Alduin is Akatosh despite being Akatosh's son who existed before a human woman made Akatosh the [censored] up so hard that he actually became really real and the other Akatoshes has to change to fit the new one.

I have the exact quote:



"Sir Knight, allow me to introduce myself. I am Brellin of Silvenar, at your service. I come to offer myself as a knight in service of Auri-El, or Akatosh as he is known in Cyrodill. I bring nothing but my skill with the blade, which is not inconsiderable, and my devotion to the Lord Auri-El. Will you accept me, as unworthy as I am?"





It's also worth pointing out that Shezarr and the Divines mentions Akatosh already existed as a deity;

Akatosh was an Aldmeri god, and Alessia's subjects were as-yet unwilling to renounce their worship of the Elven pantheon.




These two sources in particular make a strong case for Akatosh and Auriel being synonymous, and for Akatosh existing as a concept before Alessia's time.

Except Alessia didn't invent the name or concept of Akatosh. That name was taken from a pre existing Aldmeri concept according to Shezarr and the Divines. In fact it wasn't Alessia at all who tampered with time and the Prolix Laws. That happened a long time after her death.

Alessia's conception of Akatosh is diametrically opposed to the Altmeri worldview.

Her Akatosh stands for the preservation of Cyrod and the Mundus itself. This is a big change. Shezarr and the Divines seems to suggest that Akatosh was a member of the Ayleid pantheon, which makes them Altmer oddballs. It makes sense, actually, with their Tower magics and Daedric pacts, that they did not share the Aldmeri distaste for the mortal world. Now, once you realize that the preexisting Akatosh was just the cultural Time God variant of a sub-civilization of Altmer, arising chronologically after the settlement of Cyrod by Topal the Pilot's successors, you reach the same conclusion. The being we call Akatosh is no more original or true than Alkosh or any of the others. Alduin is definitively NOT the son of an Ayleid Time God.

The biggest deal is that, operating as the Female Principle, Alessia reconciled--for a moment--the enantiomorphic brothers of Auriel and Shor. Both deities forged the Covenant, in the person of Pelinal Whitestrake, an avatar of both.

If Akatosh is an Ayleid deity, he split off from Auriel after Topal's voyages, shaped first by the Aylied attachment to the current subgradient of creation, then by Alessia's reformation.

Thanks,

and he definitely existed as a concept. However the Akatosh as worshipped by the Imperial Nine Divines religion is very much changed from his elven form. That was Alessia's genius political move, keeping Akatosh but melding him with some Lorkhanic aspects to make him more acceptable to her Nord allies.

You know what? We need to combine these threads. Because you are right that a being named Akatosh existed before Alessia, but Akatosh as we see him could not exist if she hadn't made him up.

I wonder how much of him she actually made up, though? Akatosh was stated by Gelebor as being essentially the same deity as Auriel from an Elvish perspective - the Dragon God of Time. Alessia herself probably didn't change that much, but made him slightly more Lorkhan-alligned. It wasn't until the Marakhuti that Auriel was sundered from Akatosh, but we're not sure if the Jills didn't mend that like they do with other Dragon Breaks.

It's plausible that the Tamrielic sect of Dragon Priests managed to sunder Alduin from Akatosh in a similar ritual ages before, which would explain why Alduin seems to be weaker and different in this Kalpa, and with different motives.

Well, we weren't there. There was actually someone about the first few months after release wondering if the mini Time-Wound at Labyrinthian had anything to do with the differences between Alduin and Akatosh. Hopefully that's bait for future DLCs.

I assumed the existence of that particular time wound was cut and dry - it exists because the Elder Scroll was used to alter Time during the Dragon War, at the moment Alduin was cast forward in time. I'm pretty sure that's what the game dialogue actually suggests.

Of course that doesn't account for the time wound in Labyrinthian, associated with the Dragon Priest masks, which is where my hypothesis originates.

You say that like it's not a big deal.

It would be like if Martin Luther didn't really change Christianity, he just made God a little more Satan-aligned, with a pro-sin outlook on spirituality.

Gods don't need to be sundered from each other by dangerous, esoteric actions. Mortal belief does that, because 'we are their true parents.' The mortal Nords fear the ravages of time as the domain of their long-lived foes, the elves. Their God of Time takes a suitable form.