IIRC, Satakal is a combined Akatosh/Lorkhan figure that points to the enantiomorphic nature of those two figures.

But it's been years since I read up on Redguard religion last.

Anui-El and the elven Sithis (which is different from the human Sithis) are two different beings (or forces or principles) who existed before the Time Dude came into existence. When they were around, but before Time came to be, may be the period described by the Redguard myth as Sakatal, but that woul'd make Anui-El Sakatal. I hope that made sense.

There's a statue of him in the Forgotten Vale. He looks like an elf holding a sun-symbol up. However, I presume gods can shapeshift, and cultural differences result in different depictions in statues.

I think Satakal is supposed to be a combination of Sithis (Satak) and Anuiel (Akel).

Bah I totally disagree Auriel seems Elven , Akatosh is something else and is a Dragon they cannot be the same thing ...

They're both the God of Time.

I wonder how the Falmer knows about Syrabane. The Falmer were enslaved in the early First Era, between the time King Harald defeated them and the Dwemer disappeared. Meanwhile Syrabane became famous during the Thrassian Plague, which started during the Dragon Break, hundreds of years after the Dwemer accidentally their whole species. That Knight-Paladin must've known surprisingly a lot about the outside world.

Syrabane is an ancestor-god from Merethic or even Dawn Era. His becoming famous to other races during the Thrassian Plague doesn't make him unrecognizable to other elven races before that event.

By the way, has the Falmer paladin mentioned Magnus and Xarxes?

It seems to me that the Falmeri Auriel somehow is more like a combination of Altmeri Auriel and Magnus, considering his bringing the symbol of sun, and the method to hurt him is something against the sun. Do we know anything about Magnus existing in Falmeri Pantheon?

Pick up a pin with a magnet and you'll set Magnetism against Gravity, despite the fact, that at the core, they're one and the same.

Having not got this far yet, let me ask this. If Auriel is a Dragon God of Time, who is to say what does and does not make sense? Auri-El, with the hyphen and extra capital, is definitively one of the Akatoshes according to KotN dialog. If sans-hyphen Auriel is the same being then he is Time. So who is to say a being that is itself time is subject to linear cause and effect?

As for being humanoid enough to wield a bow, well Tsun is both the humanoid we see and the whalebone bridge he guards (assuming Tsun=whale). I guess I'll see soon enough.

It's not like the case of the dualism of Akatosh and Shezarr. I mean, according to the Varieties of faith in the Empire, in modern Altmeri pantheon we have BOTH Auriel and Magnus, who both escaped Mundus. If modern Altmeri Auriel and Magnus are just the same, it would be like all Nords worshipping Kynareth and Kyne as different identities at the same time, which is nonsense because Nords consider Kynareth a Cyrodiilic verson of Kyne in a way modern Altmers consider Akatosh a Cyrodiilic verson of Auriel.

I think there should be a spectrum, from one end Magnus the utter-Anuic to the other end Lorkhan the utter-Padomaic. All aspects of the origin dragon-serpent-prisma, due to different identities or just cultral interpretations, can be put into this spectrum. Different Auriels from different cultures fall into different position, some are nearer to Magnus and some are nearer to Lorkhan but never crossing the boundary between Anu-Padomay. The ones nearer to Lorkhan are considered exactly the same as Akatosh except him running away instead of landing, which is that Auriel in modern Altmeri theology, and because of it this Auriel is different from Magnus.

Why not? Alduin is Akatosh despite being Akatosh's son and existing before a human invented Akatosh as we know him and being "shedded" from a being called the Aka-Tusk, which I am for the sake of ease assuming to be the human name for the dragon name Bormahu. Let me say this for you and all to come: TES gods are not simple. They are not only complex in their individual forms but when each cultural interpretation is split apart then taken together it gets even more fun. In the Monomyth, the Song of Shezzar pretty much shows that foreign versions of the same god (there the human and elven versions of Akatosh) can be in direct conflict with one another. Skyrim opens the door of "totem-forms," animalistic forms of the gods that can also take humanoid form. Alduin, being prideful of his draconic powers, stays in that form but Tsun is in his human form and Shor is known to take the shape of a giant serpent. Why can't the Auriel-aspect take a humanoid form?

Alduin is not Akatosh , otherwise the Dragonborn woudl have Killed Akatosh and Anu and Auriel and all the like ... most probably are all different Deities and Alduin is just a big srong dragon not a God ...

I am confused! D: all those gods

The Dragonborn didn't kill Alduin. He couldn't even defeat Alduin's physical form, let alone divine essence. He merely fought until something stripped his skin and took his soul until a later time.

Alduin used to be an aspect of the primo-time-dragon until he got dragon-breaked and kicked out. Then Akatosh rose from Alessia's creative and became a true aspect of the primo-time-dragon through another dragon break.

I have not examined the story of Dawnguard in any great detail, because I would like to play it fresh for the first time when it comes out for PC, so I have skimmed several of the posts in this thread and this theory may have come up or been discounted already, but is it possible that Auri-El is to Aka what Talos is to Shor? An Elven conglomerate deity formed from ascended Mer to strengthen the aspect of Time?

He's not a dragon, remember. But yeah, I think you've got a valid take on it. Auriel can be a cultural Akatosh variant who split off during the Dawn, as the elves (who were then higher on the subgradient chain) experienced him as a champion and one of their own. And he could have departed thereafter, with their Auriel beliefs imprinting on the other Time God variants still extant. And all of this is pre=Convention, and has to make even less sense because of nonlinear time. And you've got Pelinal who was an avatar and a gem, but somehow had a childhood too.


Oh, goodie. Got a quote?

Also, I'm 99% sure that Auri-El=Auriel, just like Pelin-El and Tamri-El.

Eh, Tsun in Sovgarde was just an avatar. Auriel is never described (prove me wrong, someone!) as a dragon.

I'd agree with that. The dialog subtitles in Dawnguard seem to randomly switch between Auri-El and Auriel, with no discernible pattern or reason.

I think the go-to example would be Tosh Raka, in that case. Pre-Convention Aldmeri Tosh Raka.

That's an interesting anology you have there. I quite like it.

Y'ffre (God of the Forest): Most important deity of the Bosmeri pantheon. While Auri-El Time Dragon might be the king of the gods, the Bosmer revere Y'ffre as the spirit of 'the now'. According to the Wood Elves, after the creation of the mortal plane everything was in chaos. The first mortals were turning into plants and animals and back again. Then Y'ffre transformed himself into the first of the Ehlnofey, or 'Earth Bones'. After these laws of nature were established, mortals had a semblance of safety in the new world, because they could finally understand it. Y'ffre is sometimes called the Storyteller, for the lessons he taught the first Bosmer. Some Bosmer still possess the knowledge of the chaos times, which they can use to great effect (the Wild Hunt).

Boom. There it is.

Uh, magnetism isn't gravity.

They both fulfill essentially the same function and are subphenomena of the same overarching set of physical Rules.