Is this true?


It seems noone is Akatosh these days.

If that's true, then it happened before the Convention, and he really would be a separate being.

Yo the dlc has been out for a day and a half, throw some spoiler alerts in the title.

Auriel did that.

Auriel ent Akatosh directly, but he is in the fact that they are both dragon gods of time.

I've never seen Auriel depicted as a dragon. He has a bow and sword, after all. Bird, maybe.

I saw this coming and I'm not disappointed at all. Auriel couldn't have been a subgradient of Aka on the same level as Shor. We've already got Alduin for that.

Auriel is a http://www.imperial-library.info/content/magne-ge-pantheon, but which one? The Scarab-Framer?

Didn't Magnus have a difficult time leaving Mundus and left "bits" of himself? And that giant hole/sun?
So could have Auri-el left a bit of himself behind that got absorbed in the Time Dragon?

Thinking about it, it makes sense for the elves to worship someone who escaped the Mundus, seeing as their god would then have succeeded in their desire and possibly show them the way.

The conventional understanding of Auriel has always been that he escaped Mundas. It's the leaving with Magnus (before Convention) part that is new.

And it's new because it prevents him from being a variant of Akatosh.

Methinks Bethesda is taking a subtle hatchet to the whole idea of Varieties of Faith and Aedric cultural variants, to suit their crummy Alduin plot better.

Akatosh as in "the Alessian God of Time", yes, but Akatosh isn't the God of Time. We knew before Skyrim that Alduin was different from Akatosh, so it'd make sense that Auriel was different from Akatosh too. Don't be surprised when it's revealed that Alkosh and Tosh Raka are different as well.

However, they are all still Gods of Time. Auriel was already a god by the time Lorkhan was killed, despite him having been a mortal Aldmer (Altmer?) who ascended. Think Vehk.

There is only one God of Time that existed before Convention. There is only more than one now because the conflicting beliefs of immortals imprinted themselves on the half-dead Aedra who gave itself to Creation.

But if Auriel departed Nirn before giving himself to Creation, and never 'died,' he never could have been split off into a Timegod variant. He's a completely different entity that doesn't share a common origin.


This is all hopelessly tangled, especially when Varieties of Faith makes it clear that Auriel is Lorkhan's adversary. But does any source ever associate Auriel with time, I wonder?

Waitwaitwat, doesn't this mean that Auriel isn't an Aedra at all? Is he Magne Ge or Daedric?

I always assumed this was the case anyways. It does raise the question though, can a aspect of time disappear and leave its other halves behind? I am glad for this tidbit though, if only because Auriel finally gets a honest to goodness spotlight, and offers insight to Falmeri religious beliefs.

Magna Ge, that is, an Anuic spirit who did not sacrifice for Creation, but abandoned Nirn.

Unless of course, the Anuic spirits 'cut off' the Gift-Limbs during the Dawn Era before Convention, which would allow him to be a variant of the TIme God still, just one who pieced out. Unless he was born a mortal Aldmer, but then he wouldn't be an ancestor. Unless he mantled Akatosh somehow, but we never heard any mention of that. Unless he was an incarnation of Akatosh who was born in human form (like Wulfharth (maybe) or Pelinal (also maybe).

Agh.

We need the exact text. Badly.

Is this confirmed?

Remember that the gods around that time actually were two. See Shezzar's song. So Akatosh and Auri-El were seperate and the same. One decided to dracochrysalize, and ascend with his bro Magnus. The other stayed because he loved man. Actually, this probably happened to all of the gods. This explains why they are associated with Aetherius while being bound to Nirn. So the elven counterpart's realms in Aetherius probably house the souls of the loyal followers of their human counterparts in the Nine Divines.

Watching a few walkthroughs, so far all I can find is "Auriel is an elven god. He's with the rest of them in Aetherius."

And remember, it was the Dawn Era. The very end but still the Dawn. He may have left at convention, but he arrived with the stars.

Also, this validates my theory that the Aylieds were Magne-Ge worshippers with the fact that they had those statues of Auri-El complete with symbolism and a bow + shield.

Also Dragon Break to seperate him from Akatosh. Thus, they made him so retroactively instead of being bound to Nirn he left or something like that.

Which just suggests that he subscribes the common mistaken mortal belief that the Aedra are in Aetherius, not orbiting Nirn as planets.

Sub-gradient creation. Imagine a single time god, which is then subdivided into separate time gods who are still pieces of the "whole" time god.

Think of it less like an apple pie and more like a color gradient. Instead of taking a piece out of the whole to claim as your own, you simply mark a specific section as representing "yours". The Aedra gave parts of themselves for creation, so who's to say what happened to the other parts that weren't given? The Aedra are half-dead, so what did the half-alive pieces do?

Even if you don't subscribe to that (totally made up on the spot) idea... considering the Merish view of Mundus being a trap, it makes sense that their most revered deity be one that escaped the trap. What better way to escape the trap than to go back and avoid it in the first place? I could imagine being a time god gives you certain privileges over the flow of certain events. Auriel took part in the convention, and escaped before it.

Disclaimer: I haven't played the DLC, and probably won't for a while.

On the whole, this is really more of a clarification than anything. Before: Auri-El went to Ada-Mantia to ascend into the sky as a planet, outside of nirn but inside the mundus. Now: Auri-El went to Ada-Mantia to ascend into the sky somewhere in Aetherius.

Does it? These are transcendent beings we're talking about. We already accept that Time-Mac-Timerson can have two personalities and fight himself, why can't he be in two places at once? The dude is responsible for the entire existence of time for crying out loud. I'm sure he's got some leeway with space.
Dudes and dudettes, Auri-El, Alkosh, either Tall Papa or Sep, and Bahu are the only four timey-dudes who are explicitly said in myth to pre-date the mundus. Auri-El has the most consistent support for this. Akatosh is only mentioned at the start of this Kalpa (and is clearly an invention from later), while Alduin only exists inside the Kalpic Cycle, and Tosh Raka is a later historical figure. Yes, Auri-El walked the mundus and did all that Jazz, but that doesn't mean that he or his identity came into being as a mortal.
Depends on your definition. By the standard one used on this forum, he's Magna-Ge. By the original Altmeri meaning, he (and Magnus himself) is Aedra.
That's a pretty rad theory.

Thanks. Come to think about it, there is a Magne-Ge called Daubella. Dibella's elven star-reflection?

Wouldn't that undermine the Altmer's belief in him, if he was always god that simply sent down an avatar of some sort? IIRC, the Altmer revere him because he was a mortal that managed to ascend, showing that it was possible to break free of Mundus and mortality. If he was already a god when he did that, he'd just be a big show-off.

Considering the Altmers religious beliefs, there would be no difference between a god and mortal to them either way. It may as well have been daddy showing them a way out, if anything.