bethesda would be comepeltely mad and stupid to release Dawnguard for the PC and PS3 in september or even in mid august due the fact that thats when you have the likes of Darksiders 2, Farcry 3, Borderlands 2, Sleeping Dogs, Fall of Cyberton, Darksouls (PC) and Guild Wars 2 (PC) and probably Torchlight 2. late July and early August are the best bet for bethseda to release DG on PC and PS3, after that theres just to many other games comming that most people will likely throw their money at

Eh. I'll be voting with my wallet. If it isn't out a month after the 360 version to the day, I'm just gonna not buy it. I don't feel the urgency I once did and at this point, I think I could do without Dawnguard. I had to wait for the CS far longer than I should have. It seems like I'm always being asked to wait an undisclosed amount of time for things, just because Microsoft has moneybags. Well, I know it's only one copy and won't make any difference, but on principle they aren't getting any more money from me unless they start living up to their word and stop pushing things back.

Yeah too many games coming out in september and mid august so it would be rather silly to release dawnguard then.

All-mighty IGN has ps3 dawnguard official release sept 30th
Source IGN ps3 dawnguad page today

A simple statement at the time of the Xbox exclusive statement would have sufficed in my opinion, something along the lines of "Due to the contract we've signed with microsoft and Xbox we cannot discuss the release of Dawnguard on other platforms, after the the 30 day exclusivity period is up we will issue further details on the release dates for those platforms, please be assured it will be released for these platforms soon"

I would have been more than satisfied with a statement like that, not the total silence we've received from Bethesda, silence leads to speculation, rumour and all the negative posts on this subject. A non-disclosure agreement still doesn't explain the complete silence regarding the missing 1.6 patch for PS3 owners however, we all have it bar those guys, BootySweat must agree the're owed an explanation for that hold up, wouldn't you all agree?

Ten years?? naw I was think till the end of time xD.

I give you an example :

I'm a pc player,but at the time i was forced to buy an xbox360 to play red dead redemption,episodes from liberty city and other consoles exclusives

You've only to wait one month (at least) so,were is the problem ?

If they haven't announced yet a release date its because they would have their good reasons, don't you think ?

Its only a timed exclusive guys...i'm sure that at the end of the month we could have a release date even for pc and ps3

We PS3 players are still waiting on patch 1.6 Forget dawngaurd I want a simple damn patch.

You're off topic then,because this thread is about dawnguard release for pc and ps3- for the patch i suppose that it will be released before or together with the dlc

My previous post was referred to gazzaHo of course

I'm a PC player, so this isn't my defense of the Xbox coming into play but : Do people really still feel clever when they say "Micro$oft"?

On topic, I can't for the life of me understand why content takes so long to come out these days, be it due to exclusivity contracts, other projects, or what. Skyrim has been out for eight months now, a lot of people are still talking about it and playing it, but I'm willing to bet a huge number already got through it, didn't see anything new coming out in the near future, and either traded it in or stopped playing. Bethesda seems to be the worst culprit, where we're getting DLC packs almost two years after the release of the original game. Now, I love my open-form RPGs so I'm one of the ones who'll still be willing to buy it and play content in 2013 for a game released in 2011, but a lot of other people aren't.

Seems like all it does is build up the goody bag for the final "Ultimate Edition", which they end up losing (technically) money on compared to what it would be if people already got it when it first came out. It reminds me of Blizzard's practice of stretching out content patches for World of Warcraft for anywhere from a few months to an entire year, and then seemingly perplexed that their subscription base was fluctuating like it was. Now, they had a "good" habit of releasing huge content bricks whenever another MMO or over-hyped game was coming around the corner, but Skyrim isn't in competition with another game for monthly subscription fees - it caters to one player, and if that one player starts to feel ignored and that the game is becoming dull, chances are it'll end up with a thin layer of dust on the rack.

I agree with Ryu and GazzaHo.

Damn i'd be happy with word on the patch nevermind Dawnguard!

That's simply because it's they're predicting it will release before the end of the third sales quarter (end of September)- It means nothing.

It won't happen on Thursday as content and (most) games are released on Tuesdays. I would say, realistically speaking, it would be on July 31st; that date is both a Tuesday and past the 30 day minimum.

I also want Dawnguard on PC so I can fix a few things with the DLC (It has some bugs), but this isn't like Mass Effect 3 as the DLC is actually good and they took a good amount of time on it as well.



I am surprised that people are still playing on Skyrim on PS3 (nothing against PS3), with all the issues that Skyrim had about being barely playable with high amounts of lags from even fresh saves. Then there is the fact that there is no word on the 1.6 patch (horse combat was overrated so you aren't missing much), and that PS3 has no access to custom content while still having to wait for the DLC.

I would say that Skyrim is only playable on Xbox 360 and PC.
Again, this is not bashing the PS3 as I do want to get one for games like Infamous and Uncharted.

I can't imagine playing any Bethesda or other open-world games on a console, knowing full well the abundance and talent of the modding community. Now, not everyone has unlimited resources, and perhaps they chose their console one year over considering a new desk top, and it's a shame to be penalized for this, but you hear every game from Morrowind to Fallout to Skyrim to all points in between many people end up getting a desktop eventually just to play it / the next one.

Once I buy my laptop (extremely high end), I will be permanently converting my save to the PC and enjoying the mods.

I hate how many companies are against even save game editing, which can add many fun things (no quests, custom NPCs, custom models, or custom textures), but allows access to everything existing in the game.

Only one company has ever embraced save game editing and even stickied my tutorial on how to do it and that was Bioware in regards to Dragon Age 2. I completely respected the DA Team after that.

Never understood why Bethesda has been so against it though as it just furthers the entertainment. I have read every bit of Microsoft's documentation and the only things that have ever stuck out were 'No Console Modifications,' 'No Ruining Other Player's Gaming Experience,' 'No Editing a Player's Profile,' 'No Cheating in Order to Gain an Advantage Over Another Player,' and 'No Falsifying Stats for Leaderboards' and I am against anthing that ruins the fun of other people, and cheating for leaderboards is just plain dumb.

I have done many things to my New Vegas save that really made the game interesting and just plain cool, but I can never go into detail on what I did, at least on this site, as it is in Bethesda's hidden rules to not even go into details on such matters.

Because supporting it for the consoles would be a nightmare. Several things going against it. Assuming that beth is the only one against it would be wrong..

1)From what I understand, you cannot alter the load order for mods for consoles? Like loading one dlc before another. So they'd have to add that.

2)Hardware limitations. There are some mods that can make a top dollar gaming rig cry for mercy. High res textures/ view distance increasers? More mobs? From what I understand the ps3 has trouble just with the base game let alone adding more things to go wrong.

3) I'd assume game companies reserve the right to choose what content they allow on their consoles. First time someone downloads an advlt mod for a console, they'd likely face annoyances (boycotts, negative press, etc). What gain do those companies get for allowing this modded content? None. Infact, if the mods cause hardware issues, it might end up costing them.

4) Additional programs needed. If you run lots of mods you need outside programs like wryebash, nexus mod manager, skyrim script extender. If you want really nifty add ons you even need java to run. (Like ASIS needs to run to create its own patch). If you dont have at least a few of these programs, your likely to run into fatal mod conflicts. (Again, why would microsoft, or etc allow outside people to mess with their closed platform?)

Actually with number one anyways, there are modified xbox consoles that can run unsigned code that can work with custom mods as long as they are converted properly. I never got to mess with one myself, but I did manage to convert a mod and gave it to another person on a different website who confirmed it worked. (Trying to be as vague as possible, because of Bethesda's hidden rule)


If Microsoft created some kind of review board, similar to how Indie Games are made and mods could be tested and then certified, it could work. Obviously many mods wouldn't be allowed to be uploaded (the most obvious being the advlt Mods), but many people could even start making mods just for the Xbox 360 (Possibly a seperate version of the Creation Kit that didn't need Skyrim to be installed). Then if the mods were put on something similar to the Steam Workshop (but for the Xbox 360), this could probably work. This would probably bring in a lot of money to Microsoft as many people would buy a Xbox 360 with an ability to create custom content, the PC would still be better as it would have access to many mods that use heavily detailed textures and even just the graphics themselves.

Edit- The only things that need to be converted in a mod from being on the PC to the Xbox 360 is a conversion of the sound files from .wav to .xma and a conversion of the textures from .dds to .ddx, so with Microsoft having all the tools, they would easily be able to do this (they do it all the time anyways).

I am boycotting the first two DLCs. I absolutely refuse to pay for them no matter what they add.

Why?
Please elaborate on the reasons on the reasons you need to boycott a DLC.

Lol, really? You respect Bioware for DA II? Such an absolutely horrible, cheap, lazy game.


Microshaft and their god-awful console business. Sorry Beth. In bed with MS & Xbox = no DLC purchase. Maybe when GOTY edition is $25.

No, you misunderstand.
DA2, was an incredibly bad game and Origins is still superior. I respect Bioware for allowing a tutorial that fully details how to edit a save and then stickying it.

So, not for the game, but for actually understanding the rules.

Dragon Age 2, could have been a drastically better game, but Bioware made many bad decisions and butchered a game's universe. Then after giving a Bioware screwing with Mass Effec 3 (not just the ending, which was still just lazy writing) and completely watering down the game, I will not buy another product with a Bioware label. The reason for that is because Bioware has not put any real time into their most recent iterations of what used to be great game series and instead just rushed them to release a shoddy product or so it can have multiplayer.
I still stand by the fact that they know the rules exactly how they should be and honored them.

That is more justified then just not going to purchase something because one system has it exclusive for only 30 days (which Dawnguard's is almost up). It just seems a bit absurd.


That is just business and that is how everything functions, it is simple capitalism.
It isn't great, but is just how the world works.

Besides that, Bethesda still put effort into Dawnguard and was a great DLC.

PC gets mods, so it is at least slightly even. (PS3 gets nothing, which is kind of sad)

Where does it say one month? Or (at least) for that matter, I never read that anywhere. The Xbox exclusive is for 30 days, assuming Dawnguard will be released for the other platforms directly after that period expires is just that, assumption, and I'm sure you've heard the saying about that word. Sure they may just pull the rabbit out of the hat on July 26th or a few days later, but are you willing to place your monthly wage on it?

As I've mentioned, any statement, even one which says we can't talk about it is better than silence, Bethesda have a fan base that consists of all platforms, not just the Xbox, surely they can see that they risk alienating many of those fans through lack of communication. They have the right to enter into any deals they wish regarding exclusivity, be it Microsoft, Sony or whomever, that's not my complaint, my complaint is the deafening silence.

As for the PS3 1.6 patch not being relevant to this discussion, I have to disagree, without it Dawnguard can't be played. From what I can determine 1.6 adds achievements and a DLC menu item to the load screen which means 1.6 would have to be installed before Dawnguard.

Doesn't mean you have to lie back and take it.

Beth are close to being on my never buying from again publisher list which includes EA, Rockstar (can't believe my fellow Scotsmen sold out the dikes) , IW and a few others.
Now they probably don't give a [censored] about losing one persons money, but once a few thousand people have the balls to say [censored] em' then things will get interesting.
I don't blame the game developers themselves, they are pretty much hands tied by their greedy publishing houses who are the real problem these days.

Exclusivity for one particular platform isn't too bad as maybe a dev prefers the platform or have been coerced into sticking to that one particular platform. But having to wait 30 days over someone else because no other reason than some [censored] in a suit decided that you are inferior thanks to your choice in hardware (discrimination BTW, look it up) is not on.

So Beth, in accepting M$ money you are actively supporting a form of discrimination.


@ the guy buying the laptop for gaming:
Do you really need a laptop or are just buying one because you think gaming laptops are cool?
If your situation requires one fair enough, but if not the same money will get you a desktop with 2 to 3 times the power for the same money.
Choose wisely.

^Out of interest Liquid, what happened with Rockstar?

I understand Bethesda and EA, but just out of curiosity, what did Rockstar do to earn your ire? And I can't even remember what IW is, so mind filling me in on them too?