I understand Bethesda and EA, but just out of curiosity, what did Rockstar do to earn your ire? And I can't even remember what IW is, so mind filling me in on them too?

If bethesda marketing was smart they will try and get dawnguard out for other platforms asap before games start coming out and people start spending there money in other places.

Pretty much this.

Sleeping Dogs, Darksiders 2 and Borderlands 2 as well, if i'm not mistaken. Not to mention November (Which i hope it won't actually be delayed to, lol.").

Although i'll still personally buy it whenever it comes out; i think releasing Dawnguard on the PC as soon as possible and letting the resourcefulness of the modding community get past any game-breaking bugs is the way to go. That way Bethesda could perhaps focus on the PS3 version entirely, for some time at least.

I know I'm slobbering way too much over the capabilities of modders here, but have you seen the stuff the Skyrim Nexus has? The Steam workshop as well.

Dudez... When Darksiders 2 hits, Skyrim gets a 2 week break. At least.

Actually, come to think of it, I haven't actually been playing Skyrim for a few months now, just scouring the Nexus for mods so that when I do start playing it, I can actually ignore that place and PLAY THE GAME... Seriously.. Once you start, you spend more time browsing and trying out mods than you do playing the damn game.

Steam Workshop is meh.. Only mod there I've chosen to use is Faster Vanilla Horses.

Well yes, not really complimenting the Workshop for any of the interesting mods, more of pointing out that there is a massive modding community that can and will get past any possible "game-breaking" bugs. Assuming there even are any.

Hell, the console commands alone can fix even the worst of things. TCL tends to solve almost every possible problem, game world navigation wise.

Yeah, i've tried a couple of graphic mods. But some of my armors and weapons didn't really look that well with the adjustments. I prefer to keep the vanilla graphics for the sake of seeing the graphics the way they're meant to be seen.

But in the end, that's what's great about it; every PC player's game is gonna look different because of their mods and personal tweaks. Whether it be via console (i.e FOV, scale of character etc...) or actual mods/retextures/other.

Well, that depends on what you're trying to do. With the HD DLC package (and fixes for it from the modding community), you can pile on a ton of texture mods without them looking out of place, as they look WAY better than the original textures. I have a list of mods that will probably suit your taste, which seems to be about the same as mine. If you're interested I'll send you some links in a PM.

Actually, yeah. I remember the original DLC high res texture pack made my game have abnormally long and painful lag spikes. Go ahead and send me those.

Haha, it was a bit of a "Lets throw every random texture file in that we can find, some 1024, some 2048 and some 4096 in size. Lets also put some normal maps instead of texture files so users get bright blue logs too, and lets still not fix that almost 6 months later." effort

Yeah, the fact that they could quite easily fix the HD DLC and still haven't is a bit bothersome.. There are two mods that are decently well known and fix every error within the HD DLC

I think there's a lot of stuff Bethesda could quite easily fix and still haven't in the base game, let alone in their texture update. I seriously doubt letting me improve my Skyforge Steel Dagger is somehow going to break the game further.

I think it all boils down to the fact that the retail product is out, and the initial surge of sales is over, and continuously patching the game isn't making them any money...

It doesn't make them any money directly, but it provides good word of mouth (rather than me adamantly telling people NOT to buy their products because they are poorly coded games held together with chewing gum and the company is happy to let their PC fans fix their games for them while those who get them on the consoles will have enormous bugs forever because Bethesda doesn't bother fixing problems) and gives customers who feel burned by them a reason to return to do more business with them.

Sell a good product to someone? They might tell people they liked it. Sell them a bad product? They'll tell everyone that they hated it and to avoid doing business with the seller.

That is just business and that is how everything functions, it is simple capitalism.
It isn't great, but is just how the world works.

Besides that, Bethesda still put effort into Dawnguard and was a great DLC.

PC gets mods, so it is at least slightly even. (PS3 gets nothing, which is kind of sad)

Snipes, PM sent. I actually use more retextures than that, but not everyone is using a 4gb GTX 680... Though I ran the same mods fine on my old 5870 as well, so don't fret.



Yeah, the fact that they could quite easily fix the HD DLC and still haven't is a bit bothersome.. There are two mods that are decently well known and fix every error within the HD DLC.. Also, the highest res textures in the HD DLC are 2k x 2k if I'm not mistaken. Just being nit picky I suppose.

Very true, I wish the rest of the gaming industry would take a few notes from CDProject... Oh wiat who am I kidding, a few pages? Copy/paste the whole damn book.

EDIT: That's one hell of a "( )" lol.

Not really, no. You can make tons of money without bribery, and most people do. Bethesda and Microsoft chose the other route. And meh, mods and the performance + visual differences are better than DG for sure, but it still doesn't justify Bethesda's actions.

Some of the armor files in the DLC are 4096 in size. That's why some people with 1GB of vRAM have trouble with it.

Yeah, it kinda got away from me. In case it wasn't clear before, I'm a little annoyed with Bethesda's workmanship, especially being on the PS3. We still haven't received patch 1.6, and every time Gstaff pokes his head into the support forum he just says "I have nothing to tell you."

Gets old after a month and a half of waiting.

Doesn't mean you have to lie back and take it.

Beth are close to being on my never buying from again publisher list which includes EA, Rockstar (can't believe my fellow Scotsmen sold out the dikes) , IW and a few others.
Now they probably don't give a [censored] about losing one persons money, but once a few thousand people have the balls to say [censored] em' then things will get interesting.
I don't blame the game developers themselves, they are pretty much hands tied by their greedy publishing houses who are the real problem these days.

Exclusivity for one particular platform isn't too bad as maybe a dev prefers the platform or have been coerced into sticking to that one particular platform. But having to wait 30 days over someone else because no other reason than some [censored] in a suit decided that you are inferior thanks to your choice in hardware (discrimination BTW, look it up) is not on.

So Beth, in accepting M$ money you are actively supporting a form of discrimination.


@ the guy buying the laptop for gaming:
Do you really need a laptop or are just buying one because you think gaming laptops are cool?
If your situation requires one fair enough, but if not the same money will get you a desktop with 2 to 3 times the power for the same money.
Choose wisely.

^Out of interest Liquid, what happened with Rockstar?