I'm sure you've seen items that reduce the mana cost of destruction spells ...

If anything, my mage feels TOO powerful, lol.


When you can stunlock kill a Giant, at level 21, with just Dual-Cast Firebolts....you know nothing else stands a chance.

Hell, most enemies i encounter die to one dual-cast Fireball...its like 150 or so damage in 1 blast....and I can do 4 of them before I'm waiting on magicka regen. 600 damage in roughly 10 seconds.

Also the WALL spells...so insanely powerful. 50 damage per second kills things so fast its not even funny.

I went down into some dungeon...got to the boss and kill him "Drugder Overlord" in about 5 seconds. Frost Cloak, Fire Wall, Dual-Cast Fireball to his face...dead.

Yeah, at level 50 the monsters will have more HP...so what? I can stunlock any monster in the game. They aren't really a threat if you never give them a chance to attack, lol.

Its like this for the slow kids: what if weapon damage never increased past a Steel sword but shields got significantly more powerful over time thanks to new shield types as well as enchants? Is the warrior OK because although his sword stops doing damage he can get through the game with just shield bashing and being durable through armor? Even though it ruins double wield (just dual wield shields amirite?)?

What if the brawling perk was the only way to do more damage because weapons don't upgrade but heavy armor does? Would that not be a problem if you wanted to play as an axe guy?

That's not the spells scaling, that's you unlocking more powerful (usually different) spells. For example at novice you get the flames spell (stream of fire). At apprentice you don't get a stronger "flames" spell, you get a firebolt spell. (fire ball)

To begin with being a mage is great but you soon reach a point where you're just getting weaker. At level 20 I had a destruction skill of 100 so my damage had peaked. Since then, the enemies have been getting stronger and my spells are the same so with every level my character gets weaker.

If you have, then fair enough, we're all talking rubbish. It's pretty widely reported that they don't exist though. There are potions to do this, but they're temporary and therefore a poor alternative.


This is the issue, in a microcosm.


Whoa, there really is no need to act so aggressively. Either debate sensibly and courteously, or don't debate at all.

That seems to be the case....


Seems like allot of people are coming off the back of Oblivions massively overpowered magic system and are well... a little butthurt.

Oh, do you mean a +20% potion that lasts 60 seconds? The same applies to archery/melee and yet those types of damage also have +skill enchants that add damage. Destruction does not.
There is a staff that adds 20% to Destruction damage as well, but it's 100% pointless because that means you're having to cast from one hand instead of two to even get the benefit. So yeah...there's nothing that really does anything at all for Destuction in this game. It's as though there's a coding bug that prevents it from scaling like it should, because it's currently utterly broken.

The people that keep replying with the stupid "Yeah noobs just need to learn how to stop using the novice spells" junk need to actually play the game instead of trash talking about things that have not experience yet because they are a) not beyond level 20 - 25 and B ) have not played melee/archery yet.

Firestorm is the hardest hitting, but, in the time it takes to actually cast it you can hit them with a few fireballs or use wall of flames like you would the starter spell for 50 damage per second instead of 8.

FALSE. Weapon damage cannot be increased through skill level. It can be increased through Perks, Smithing, and Enchanting. Like you said for spells, an Iron Sword in the hands of a level 1 with 20 1H Weapons will do the same damage as a level 50 with 100 1H Weapons.

you can buy potions of destruction in whiterun that boost the power of destruction spells by 20%

I'd check your facts before you start declaring things as FALSE (love the capital letters btw) - this isn't even remotely true. Weapon damage increases with skill level.

This is a stupid argument. Steel sword = Flames

You'd svck as a mage if you only used Flames too. Thats why there is Fireball, Firebolt, Incinerate, Fire Wall, etc etc etc.

Wrong.

Many thanx for clarifying Kabaal. I was not aware there was a casting time. Oblivioners are NOT used to that, and surely this is part of the problem in using the system.

No, it's actually the perfect argument, but you just choose to keep your head in the sand and are arguing for no other reason than to argue.

but we do read this countless threads , explain to them plain and simple , show them bring proof examples and so on , we read trough theyre trash again and again same thing same stupid reasons of people have no clue what theyre saying !
Someone evem compared mages to npc mages , sort of : mages are fine they keep killing me ?!!! imagine such thing ? they dont know anything we can say cos we played actually both sides , and there is also maths they invent proof or stuff ....
And its all written countless times . They keep saying companions well do they know any of oure aoe imba 25% mana spell will one shoot any of oure companions ?!

Does the guy hitting the mamonth and giant at lvl 20 and have mana for 4 fireballs know that at lvl 50 he will hit with same fireball but 10 times ? And there wont be 1 monster in open space but 2 3 maybe 4 in a small room ? Does he tryed to play on NORMAL dificulty more far? did he do labirintium as mage on normal setting , copme on its stupid , were discussing with clueless people

yeah i remember in oblivion where i tried to make a spell of absorb life and it gave awesome opness instead, crazy stuff, you were forced into having op spells whether you liked it or not because the game would change the damage values while you were sleeping.

This is true. I just did a test on my warrior by increasing its one handed skill via the console from 81 to 100. The one handed swords on it went from 486 to 518 damage each, weapon damage at the bottom of the screen is listed as 1036

im just gonna make it simple.... you can increase damage in the perk tree... you can dual cast which increase damage... and if your a fire mage like me, you cast a fireball, which sets everything in a 15ft radius on fire, which then also increase damage, so you shoot a dual cast firebolt at an enemy who is on fire and just got hit with a fireball and i honesly take down enemies in 1 or 2 firebolts max after the intial fireball while my atronach is kiteing/damageing/setting other enemies on fire

if destruction is weaker i honestly cant tell... and if it is thats fine... warriors deal more damage but have to be up close and personal dishing out shots while taking them... if i face melee attackers my dual casted impact spells stun them for cycles of spells at a time, useing your sprint shout or any stun shouts to avoid shots makes it to the point i hardly ever get touched... and when i do i just heal... i am also a nord so if i get overwhelmed theres nothing a battlecry wont solve... and when facing casters you just ward their spells while using staff of magnus to drain their magicka while conserving yours...

remember your a mage, not a hack n slash character... you have to active and aware in your battles ( not hateing on warriors which have alot on their hands ) but if your expecting to deal the damage of a warrior while being long distance while healing/summoning minions and stunning opponents while using shouts to escape being cornered and warding spells then just ask to be OP or just set the difficulty the the easiest if you want a walk in the park

I saw a walkthrough Vid the other day of a destruction mage going through some dungeon killing undead. He had a frost spell in one hand and a fire spell in the other hand. He was basically insta killing undead, much faster than I could ever hope to kill them with my dual wielder. If anything watching that made me think magic was overpowered, but who knows maybe it gets worse later.

How is it a perfect argument or even a remotely valid one? You're not very intelligent. This game is obviously beyond you're ability to think.

My mage uses all the school of magic, and is going great

It's almost impressive how badly you've missed the point of his post. Give it a re-read, honestly he does make the point perfectly.


Fair enough, it is frustrating when you have to repeat your point over and over, but I don't think insults and name-calling are called for, and they don't really help in any way. Let's keep it civil, eh.

I have learned in the short time Playing Skyrim that if One Play's a One Dimensional Character whit a Singular Train of Thought,One is going to Die! Do you Hear Me? DIE!!..... Incessantly.

All spellcrafting did for me in Oblivion was allow me to make low-cost, short-duration practice spells. I never used the altar to make anything OP. But if it was fun for others to make powerful spells, I'm glad they enjoyed themselves.