and just how are you helping people buggy you have reported issue that has been accepted by bethesda you have not provided any solutions to peoples issues that i have seen, so just how are you helping by constantly trying to bash bethesda.

Because they [censored] ing deserve it guy. It's not up to us to resolve these issues, it's Bethesda's.

Who cares?. He damaged his credibility with "Until you understand programming, you have no cause to complain" (about something we've paid for) and then subsequently blew it to smithereens with "The game was released with only a few minor issues" in the face of a whopping up-to-date bug list comprised of some pretty major issues. So yeah, he's lawyering for Bethesda. For some reason.

I've put in 80 hours, up until patch 1.2. Now its unplayable.

Tell me, what cause is it that you're actually championing? Why are you so annoyed that some of us have problems?

Were annoyed we can't play the game as it should be and wish to air our displeasure about it, what is so wrong with that? And why do you feel you have to play the role of Bethesda defender? Its a games company. Not a member of your family.

Nope. Sorry. DRUNKLASTNIGHT is one of the few intelligent sounding people in this thread. The polls are completely pointless and without merit. It has yet to be proven that the "majortiy" of people are experiencing problems. Without an unbiased sampling of the population, no one here can say how widespread the problems are. However, having been on the other side of this problem, I can say that there is always a small vocal minority that make the most noise, and my gut tells me that this is again the case. Those with problems want to make it seem larger then it is, in hopes of drawing attention to get it fixed.

It is quite obvious what this thing is people, let us just report his posts for flamebaiting and get him banned from here, his inane comments and babling is pathetic. Quite clearly a very young lad.

And they have absolutely every right to have them fixed as we paid just as much as you boy and we want a working product too.

And you being defensive of Bethesda does nothing for anyone at all. Furthermore, what you regard as "bashing" I and others see as "trying to improve their performance." I wouldn't bother to complain about a game I didn't like. I'd just toss it away. Nor would I try to make my voice heard to a company if I genuinely believed they were so awful and contemptuous of their players that they wouldn't give a damn. In other words, I don't believe this to be a waste of time but a worthwhile pursuit, and if you're happy and dandy with everything, that's great. Enjoy your game. Don't worry about Bethesda. They have their own lawyers.

As long as we are making stuff up how 'bout I call you out for receiving kick backs from Bethesda, as it's the only reason I can come up with that explains why you feel the need to constantly defend them in a situation where a blind man can see they are at fault?

I don't find it hard to feel sorry for you, you are obviously in denial and extremely misguided...

Are you for real? Provided solutions?

You need to take a look in the mirror fella. You're defending a games company who released a shoddy product and you're doing it by baiting those of us that are having problems?

I never wanted to be in this position, not for a minute, and once it's fixed, I'll be long gone. But you? You're here for no other reason than to show your loyalty to a GAMES DEVELOPER! How ridiculous you come across when you attach yourself like a limpet to a sodding company.

have you got anything new to report then buggy have you found any new issues. or have you come back from your ban to make new topics on same thing. i would of replied sooner but i just killed another dragon that was acting perfectly normal. lets report his posts ? and you called me a kiddy.

Nope. Sorry. Once again, he attempted to argue that the game was released with only "a few minor glitches." He's also apparently under the impression that a consumer has no right to complain about a product when they don't have a working understanding of how to make said product---- even if they're smart enough to be aware that the product does not work as it should, and are consequently dissatisfied with their purchase. He couldn't be more wrong.

Nah...you don't. If I find something funny, I laugh. I don't post message after message showing myself to be a lovesick fool....for a games developer....

point is you claim we shouldnt be able to say we like the game and nothing is breaking the game but because that does not fit your version its wrong, but if we dont agree with you then thats wrong. if you think its so shoddy then trade it. no ones baiting anyone, you keep on saying same thing so why shouldnt anyone else point out they dont agree. whats your gametag fourteen lets see just how much your suffering playing this game.

also if the game was as glitched as the same three say, how come so many people have got so many hours on it.

by the way saying somenoes lovestruck is hardly going to bother anyone just so you know.

"boy"? Well there goes the last bit of respect I had. How is that you have a "right" to have them fixed? Where is it spelled out that the game is bug free? There are no legal grounds for them to have to make every aspect of the game work, therefore you don't have a "right" to have them fixed. It's in their best interest to do so for consumer happiness, but don't confuse that with "right". Sad what this country has become. Glad on not counting on the younger generation to fund social security.

just because i got horse armor does not mean im getting kickbacks.

You think i care if you respect me speedo? You are no-one just a few typed words. If we paid the same amount as you for a game then we absolutely have THE RIGHT to get the same product as you. You wana talk about laws and rights? Going by the false advertising and trade description act we absolutely have rights to get the product that was shown to us. I don't know why you think you are above us and because you have a working product we should shut up and put up with it. The world doesn't work like that boy, and i don't care how old and entitled you are. We deserve the same product as all the happy clappy people who apparently do not have gamebreaking bugs at all. Go look at the PS3 lag issue and tell me that should be expected and put up with. YOU ARE A DISGRACE!!!!!!!

Guys, certainly criticize the comments of others, but some of you are now spilling into the sphere of personal attack.

I don't think the defense for Bethesda comes from trying to justify a broken game, I think that most of us enjoy the game so much, that we have high hopes and expectations that these issues will dissolve and we can continue to enjoy the experience. Hell, my experience, even with the problems brought on by 1.2 or otherwise, has not been so detrimental as to stop me from playing the game. I have just had to adjust my style of play, which is ending (or not, as is the nature of the Elder Scrolls series ) in me feeling like I received way more than $60 worth of gameplay and is filled with priceless fun. Happy Gaming!

Haha....thanks for making me feel better. I am now convinced that yes, I am above you. No point in continuing with this conversation. I get better responses at the zoo.

Oh - please don't vote in 2012. Thanks.

Okay, this whole thread is just chock full of flames and flamebait. And it's over the post limit.