Exactly, I'm on here because the game has problems that need fixing and realistically Bethesda should offer some sort of free DLC for all the problems like other companies have done in the past. Other people that are defending are just trying to justify their 64 bucks. If Bethesda offered a full refund I would take it in a heartbeat, mail back their beta version of the game and politely shut up and wait for a full retail ready release. No one defending them seems to understand that they are just beta testers and those who buy the GOTY or whatever next version comes out will be the actual customers who get to enjoy every second of the game. No matter what people say, good or bad, the truth of this game was not ready for release and should of been held back another 6 months for testing and it really bugs me that they came out with a schedule for the patches. Seriously!? How about ASAP for a schedule...don't tell me to wait until mid to late Jan. for quest bug fixes. Terrible, just terrible. Oh and to those defenders who said other companies release buggy games too, first I agree that's why i mentioned Dead Island, which is still sitting collecting dust because it was broken when it came out and I haven't gone back and second, Bethesda is a huge company with a ton of giant games already under their belt. Fixes should be a lot easier to identify and fix by now.......

They have already annouced they are working on quick fix for resitances issue and the claimed but ive never seen backwards dragon. whats funny about people who go on about dlc, you whine they are not fixing issues that you claim are there yet you want them to introduce something new for free.

hired dead island and have no game breaking issues, on every game you cant play do you say its broken,

My opinion is this.

Bethesda developed an enormous and intricately detailed game with a release date set over a year ago. The technical issues will most probably be dealt with and worked on over the holidays and barring Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Year's Day, they will probably be still working on it every other day. However, this does not apply to Microsoft or their "at least 2 week long" validation process. I predicted the second week of january for patch 1.3 for this very reason. The patch will be ready by about Christmas, but given the certification process and the other platforms, we shouldn't expect to see it before mid-January.

As for "how terribly broken" Skyrim is(n't), FNV broke permanently for me on my first playthrough after about 100 hours (I'm at 250 hours on Skyrim thus far, and it's still far from unplayable). Since then, I've had about another 4 separate FNV playthroughs which all died at some point, even post the HH patch. I'm waiting for LR to go on DotW before I get it and start yet AGAIN one final time. By comparison, my opinion is that any game will be at it's most glitchy/broken within the first 2 months after release, and if these problems with Skyrim are THE WORST it's ever going to be, then that's pretty damn good in my book, especially given the 360's increasingly antiquated hardware.

So yes, I defend Bethesda and I most certainly don't hate or blame them. They've consistently gotten better at patching these games up to the point where we may even see a totally glitchless Bethesda RPG within the next 5 years; and whilst that may seem "expected" or "normal" for some of you to expect this from every game that you play, be advised of the immense scale of a project like Skyrim and that the mere concept of having a glitchless RPG of this magnitude is like speculating that they'll be able to manufacture the Holy Grail itself en masse and bring about world peace. (