You guys defending the developer are wrong and just making a case for developers to release a broken game to profit from it at a certain time, (Xmas) then take months and months to fix it till its able to play the way it should. Bethesda even stated they are taking the holidays off and won't get to Quest fixes till sometime in January maybe. That is terrible. So you have a bunch of people sitting there with a quest list that can't be completed while the developers bathe in the money. Yea its a big game, but its not their first and they shouldn't be given any excuses for taking so long with the patches. Taking the holidays off? I get a three day weekend where I work and that's it. So how about they do the same and start rolling those patches out now. This game is collecting dust on my shelf and will continue to do so until they properly fix it. I should sell it and wait for the GOTY edition a year from now when the MIGHT have all the problems fixed. I have better games to play that actually work, but congratulations Bethesda you svckered me out of my money. Enjoy it.

Wow, name calling. That's mature. I stopped reading after you called me an idiot. Yup, o think Skyrim is an awesome game. Yup, I support Bethesda.


I really wish I could report you post yo an admin. But I'm on my mobile.

So all your saying is that Bethesda should not enjoy the holidays and work 24/7 on fixing their game? You already said it in your post, they relesed a game during the holiday seasons, Roger, got it. But a game this BIG, This complex takes times, even they stated that fixing one bug in a game this big could potentianlly cause havoc with the games code. I spent the 160 for the CE. Yea im a little upset, but it doesnt mean im not having fun exploring the world they crafted. Your the reason the game is collecting dust, your like the other idiots that blast bethesda for releasing it. Hey guess what you didnt have to buy it, but you did. So go play your other games cause yes there are other games that need to played or why not pop Skyrim in what ever console or gaming rig you have, Enjoy the 70+ hours that i know that isnt broken and shut the [censored] up. Enjoy your Holidays like Bethesda and everyone else is going to.

Bethesda have made a franchise I've always wanted as a kid. They execute them in way that they're intuitive and full of life and role-play.

I know there will be bugs and I know I won't be told what to do, either.

I'M HERE FOR YOU BETHESDA. I KNOW YOU FIX THINGS WHEN THEY GET BROKEN AND IN THE END I HAD AN AMAZING TIME.

Oh, it's this thread again...

I agree with your post & all. You make legitimate and valid points, but you can't call someone else the idiot when you can't even spell "you're". Just sayin'.

My bad, its early HAHA

You SHOULD have known that this game would be full of bugs and glitches, it's bethesda's game after all, a bethesda game without any bugs and glitches is like football without a ball.

Lmao my girlfriend and I were betting on who could find the first bug/glitch (she won) but even with the glitches and bugs this game is amazing. In my opinion there is nothing game breaking. I fought Alduin at level 42 on Master with the resistance glitch and he killed me. You know what I did? I got back on the metaphorical horse and kicked his ass. I understand people are frustrated with this game and maybe Bethesda SHOULD have waited a little longer before releasing, BUT I'm glad they didn't. I was already dying from anticipation and there has been nothing that is game breaking for me yet. Luckily I've only had a couple quest bugs and I just worked around them. Its getting a bit old seeing all these people trashing Bethesda. Its Bethesda, their games are huge and are going to have bugs. Everyone knows that. Get over it. Enjoy the parts of the game that AREN'T bugged (which is a lot more than people like the OP want to admit).

Does anyone remember that open world RPG that is 100% bug free and has no complaints from any players? No, me neither.

If you don't like the game and feel its unplayable then don't play it, just sell it and go find a game without bugs!

I'd like to know what game your reffering to that your going to play thats better than Skyrim. It must be pretty good. Anyway. Chill out dude. Yes I have a quest I can't finish apparrently until a patch is released. But I also have a ton I haven't even started. I guess I won't really be upset until I'm out of those too. This game is massive, quit crying and go find something else to do in the game until that patches come out. No one is saying they like bugs (although some bugs are funny) and gliches , but we understand how massive of an undertaking it was to produce this game. Of course there will be things that need to be patched. If you can't figure out a way to understand that, then maybe you should just not play games. Its the nature of the beast my friend.

I'm going to agree and disagree here...

Big games face big and complex bug issues.. Skyrim has gone further then we've seen RPG's go on consoles, Bethesda has always set new benchmarks with each new game.
So its safe to say there was always going to be an issue here or there.
When i think of Bethesda I don't think of bugs taking away from the gaming experience (with the exception of brink...) It's normally quite the opposite in fact...

My issue that regretfully leads me to agree here, is that I'm left wondering if it is safe to continue playing my character??
I've already had a taste of the various bugs, I've lost characters and hours of game play, items and quests and most importantly, the desire to continue playing, for the moment.
I have plenty of specific issues, but the forums are currently full of them, so I wont go into detail.

Will my toon, who I've already put days into, wind up buged out, stuck mid quest, missing walls and items, with un-disolved dragons laying around the place?
Will a patch bring the books I put on my bookshelf back from the void?
Please dont get me wrong, I'm not saying that I'm not happy to have Skyrim in my console atm, infact it's been in there since it was released! I'm just disheartened or demoralised or sumthing...
and yes GOTY editions are tops! I'll be getting that on preorder too!

I'm just not sure if I would have released a game like Skyrim on a whim, that the issues can all just be patched up and we'll all just start new characters once the bugs are ironed out...
It's kinda demoralising. I don't expect Bethesda to work over xmas (even though I will be).
For me its more along the lines of... why are dev teams happy to release half cut games and patch the bugs down later... ?? (Sorry, that last comment isn't so much in ref's to Beth)
I don't recall games being like this 5 years ago, is it 'cause they just.. can? is it cheaper maybe.

I don't think anyone would have known better to care if Bethesda had kept the game quiet and put another 6 months into it, they're working on expansions as we speak anyway, and after that they got borderlands 2 to finish,
I was playing Morrowind when Oblivion was released and I was still playing Oblivion up until Skyrim was released.

Personally I don't care when we get the games, I do care if they're less then what I've come to expect from the developer...

This. These sort of threads in this particular subforum make me frown.

Yea I'm an idiot for not accepting a broken game. I didn't say Skyrim was a bad game. It will be amazing once it works like it should. I'm saying don't defend a developer for releasing basically a beta version of the game and using all of us as testers for the final product sometime next year. Whomever waits for the GOTY edition is going to get all the patches and some nice DLC for a hell of a lot cheaper and get to enjoy the game from minute one till minute 10,000,000. without much frustration. That's what I want out of this game, to sit down and have fun without having to deal with the BS. For example, outside of whiterun I walked upon a group of people standing around a dead giant. The girl proceeded to ask me why I felt I didn't need to help fight the giant. Well... I never got to see the fight, and that would have been awesome! I just got the dialogue options for post event. Greaaat..... Then I go into whiterun (after a couple fallng bodies out of the sky) and I talk to another guy where it gives me the option to ask him what he was arguing about... Uh i didn't see any argument.. oh great another event I missed. Then I fought the first dragon where the people I was with basically started the event while I was trying to explore around (after having to wait five minutes for them to show up at the event start spot). I missed dialogue from the guard there because the people didn't wait for me to get there and when the dragon came it was a laggy experience at best. I'm not saying skip the holidays, but the developers already have outlined a schedule for the patches instead of just releasing them ASAP. Dead Island was another game that released broken, but the company wanted it out before the big onslaught of holiday games and then they patched it...and that patch added more problems. So they had to wait and patch again. See a pattern? That's cool you all like to pay to be testers for a company instead of them paying you. I knew I would get rediculed for posting and you guys didn't disappoint.

You are absolutely right, they need to address these issues ASAP. Thing that gets me the most is that freaking texture bug. Game looks worse than Oblivion did in some areas which is (giving their promises) totally unacceptable.

Until you under stand programming and the complexity of it, you have no room to complain. You think its 'so' easy to create something complex and expect it bug free. Thats almost impossible. When I was in college I took a java class that had me create an interactive script. I built a house where you could open/close the door and turn off/on the lights. There were also buttons to change the seasons and change the house color. As simple as that may seem to be for a script it was a few hundred lines of code broken down into several files. Its very easy that something in that code could have collided with the rest (took me a day or so to figure out how I could get the script to remember when you open/close the door it would remember the state of the lights being on/off.

My copy is unplayable and it said it couldn't find the patch. I don't want to wait a week. =(

And to whom did you sell your 'interactive script' to.....and did it cost ￡40/$60 dollars a pop?

It doesn't [censored] ing matter dude. If you buy a car and it doesn't work properly you wouldn't accept that same excuse. It doesn't matter how complex a certain product is, if you pay for it you should assume it works as intended. ''But..but..it's complex'' Put a freakin sock in it, fix the damn issue or give me my money back.

/agreed

My script was for school work but was used for comparison that programming isnt easy nor can it always be bug free. People need to remember the hardest bugs to get rid of is one that isnt consistent. Like take 'A Stone Unturned' as an example. In my game my quest is working fine, my objective to be a full member of the thieves guild is ticked and shows I talked to the person needed. My wife on the other hand has completed the thieve guild questline, has all the associated achieves, is guild master but that objective wont complete for her. We didnt do anything different from each other but it just wont complete for her. Stuff like that is harder to pinpoint what causes that issue because its not easily replicated to help solve faster.

Most people here complaining seem to think a fix is 'as easy as it is to flip a switch'. Ive seen that thinking in a lot of places (used to be a support agent for DSL, FioS and Satellite TV). Bethesda is usually very good on fixing issues as quickly as possible so just give them the ability to. The game isnt totally unplayable. Just certain things you do can snag you.

Guess I'm an idiot then. I think they did a fantastic job.

When a game is borderline unplayable (ps3 version) and the game looks worse than was shown (texture issues) than you as a developer has failed not only the consumer but also yourself.
It's a univeral rule, when you bring a product to the market, make sure it meets your promises. You don't wanna be seen as a untrustworthy developer now would you? Bethesda is growing to be the laughing stock of the entire game business. A game that isn't even playable on a certain console.

What the F man, what are we even debating about?

It's unplayable to a select few who feel that it's unplayable. For millions others it's just fine. If Bethesda is "growing to be the laughing stock" then it's only with the snotty hardcoe gamers. Mainly because to the normal folk, it's a game that brings them entertainment regardless of a few issues.

Bethesda is still good in my book, anyone that expects a game not to have bugs is delusional, at least Bethesda is doing the right thing and getting updates out as it can to fix issues. Thats more than I can say from some other game companies