[CArlos BArrera]

Nope with the information you have provided it's clear that TESO is a themepark MMO and you have no idea what makes an MMO a sandbox game. Now don't get me wrong that TESO sound really interesting but make no mistake that the game is a themepark and not even a hybrid.

Its easy to say the opposite of what someone says.

You have no reasonable evidence behind any of your claims, and you are just disagreeing just to disagree. Please move along, every post of yours is negative and pessimistic, i dare say that you bring your personal life emotions to the forums, please don't vent here.

Thanks.

[Emzy Baby!]

No question that ESO is themepark but a themepark with freedom, is it a bad thing no, it depends on how it is done. and whats so wrong a themepark pvp game?

[ruCkii]

Its easy to say the opposite of what someone says.

You have no reasonable evidence behind any of your claims, and you are just disagreeing just to disagree. Please move along, every post of yours is negative and pessimistic, i dare say that you bring your personal life emotions to the forums, please don't vent here.

Thanks.

The yellow bits in the quoted text - that was Sheek's reasoning. I'd say they're mostly right too.

[Jack Moves]

Its easy to say the opposite of what someone says.

You have no reasonable evidence behind any of your claims, and you are just disagreeing just to disagree. Please move along, every post of yours is negative and pessimistic, i dare say that you bring your personal life emotions to the forums, please don't vent here.

Thanks.

Lol, so you start a debate and when you are called out, your claim countered, the only thing you can come back at me with is the above lol.

I must have really owned you and stopped you in your tracks, nothing to say other than a desperate plea for me to not bring my personal life into this thread. I'm falling off my chair with laughing as i'm hitting the floor. My dad and brother are looking(i work for my dad) at me wondering what the hell is going on, i can't tell them i'm on a forum and not doing the work i'm supposed to.

I was really hoping you would counter my post but alas it's to much for you i guess.

My post/threads are not all negative or pessimistic, i'm a realist and don't let hype get the better of me anymore. I bet you followed GW2 before this, saying the same things and swtor before that, all because of the hype.

Sorry to get personal with you but i have a right to defend myself against insults, especially when my post was pretty reasonable.

How about replying to my post with a good debate, tell me why i'm wrong.

Thanks.

[Mark]

themepark.

[Kelsey Anna Farley]

At this point, I can only conclude that you're mocking the very idea of sandboxes with some brand of appeal to ridicule.

not at all, not all. but LEGO is the best example what sandbox means to be (this is except for a real sandbox)

a sandbox game will only provide you with some 'bricks' (mechanics, modules, features, whatever you call it) and from that point on EVERYTHING is up to you
build a castle? - do so
build a farm? - do so
build a car? - do so
build a cave full of monsters? - do so
add a hero to slay all the monsters? - do so
don't care for building but throwing the bricks around? - hell yeah, do so!

THAT is sandbox!

[His Bella]

a sandbox game will only provide you with some 'bricks' (mechanics, modules, features, whatever you call it) and from that point on EVERYTHING is up to you
THAT is sandbox!

Yeap. I think people are confusing Linear v. Non-Linear with Sandbox v. Theme-Park. Let me try to explain the difference in some detail and hope that everyone is on the same page:

Sandbox are games where the players can generate their own content. Players can build ships and companies and trade, Players can make buildings and dungeons, etc etc. Think of Minecraft as the ultimate Sandbox game. Basically the game gives you the tools and the players make their own content. EVE is very Sandboxy indeed because players can generate their own content.

Theme-Park is where Developers have pre-scripted encounters that the player can experience. These encouters do NOT have to be linear. Theme-Park games can place you in an open world and you can do any scripted encounter you want, but you cant create your own content. So in Skyrim for example, players cannot build their own Cities or take over Skyrim, they cannot create their own cults or create any content. EVERYTHING IN SKYRIM IS PRE-SCRIPTED. That makes Skyrim a Theme-Park game (unlike Minecraft).

Again, some people get confused because they think that Non-Linear means Sandbox. It does not.

[NeverStopThe]

ESO will be labeled a Theme Park but it's really a Hybrid.

Especially if they do add in the players as vendors thing they were talking about.

[maya papps]

ESO is just as much a themepark as the main-series games. Daggerfall is arguably the most sandbox, with Morrowind and Oblivion bringing up the rear on that scale.

[Fiori Pra]

ESO will be labeled a Theme Park but it's really a Hybrid.

Especially if they do add in the players as vendors thing they were talking about.

Which part of the game is a hybrid.

[Mel E]

Which part of the game is a hybrid.

I'm actually not answering that because I don't want to get into an argumentative debate over what is theme park vs what is sandbox.

[josie treuberg]

Honestly why does it even matter what label we put on it? Only Label we should care about is if its a game you enjoy or not. ESO will be ESO, going in with an expectation of what the game is by putting some label on it is just doing it wrong IMO.

[Jack]

Honestly why does it even matter what label we put on it? Only Label we should care about is if its a game you enjoy or not. ESO will be ESO, going in with an expectation of what the game is by putting some label on it is just doing it wrong IMO.

In all honesty? It doesn't really matter that much.

I was just relating it according to what the definitions of sandbox and theme park are. And it definitely has a hybrid of both.

Wrong? No prob mostly opinionated.

I'm actually not answering that because I don't want to get into an argumentative debate over what is theme park vs what is sandbox.

I wish I was like that.

I tend to like to dispute things.

[kirsty joanne hines]

Definitely Themepark.... Archeage is far closer to a hybrid game. That doesn't mean it is going to be a better game though... unless Trion pulls off some magic.

Overall I will be playing ESO regardless of its mmo classification. I can never get enough Elder Scrolls

[Jeff Turner]

In all honesty? It doesn't really matter that much.

I was just relating it according to what the definitions of sandbox and theme park are. And it definitely has a hybrid of both.

Wrong? No prob mostly opinionated.

Well yeah i would agree with the type of game and saying its like this or that. For most of us we can do fine and have an open mind when starting a new game, I just think for some putting labels on it creates an expectation. Although it probably has more to do with a person being generally negative about the game and less to do with labels we use.

[biiibi]

The thing that makes it themepark, and the thing I am unhappy about, is that we have "zones" with monsters and content geared towards a certain level. To be fair, I don't know exactly how TESO is handling this. But so far it sounds similar to other MMO's. You start in a zone for level 1-5. Then you move into a zone for levels 6-10. Ect ect. When you go back to earlier areas, there is nothing for you to do.

I'd prefer that it was done much more organically. First, you'd have to break the content up. So the first zone has some content that is geared towards level 1-5 but also some content that's geared towards level 30-40. Second, there would be no interface in the game to tell you what content was geared towards what level. You learn that by trying it out. So you walk into a cave to find a stolen treasure and there are a bunch of minotaurs in there. After they quickly and easily kill you, you figure out: "hey, I guess I'm not tough enough to fight minotaurs yet." Ten or twenty levels later, you go back into that cave, kill all the minotaurs, and rescue the treasure. You get the feeling that you've gotten much stronger and it makes the progression satisfying and makes leveling feel like a reward rather than just a grind to open up the next zone.

I'm also against monster level scaling. If you climb to the top of a mountain and get killed by a troll, that should tell you that you aren't strong enough to fight trolls yet. Once you are strong enough to fight them, they shouldn't level up to get stronger. There should be additional content that is harder. Level scaling is just lazy devs recycling content for higher levels rather than adding more. What they should do is have other monsters that are stronger than trolls, like Giants perhaps, as well as content that involves fighting more trolls rather than tougher ones.

[Laurenn Doylee]

Definitely Themepark.... Archeage is far closer to a hybrid game. That doesn't mean it is going to be a better game though... unless Trion pulls off some magic.

Overall I will be playing ESO regardless of its mmo classification. I can never get enough Elder Scrolls

ArcheAge-Age Of Wushu are just two hybrids.

Wurm Online--EVE--A Tail In The Desert are three sandbox games i can pull out of the hat.

Up coming sandbox and hybrid.

Pathfinder Online and the soon to be EQNext.

I agree with the part in yellow but let's not label TESO something it is not. This thread is asking if TESO is a sandbox, the OP has gone into why he thinks it's a sandbox but everything he says has been countered.

Looking forward to playing the game in all it's themepark glory.

[Irmacuba]

ArcheAge-Age Of Wushu are just two hybrids.

Wurm Online--EVE--A Tail In The Desert are three sandbox games i can pull out of the hat.

Up coming sandbox and hybrid.

Pathfinder Online and the soon to be EQNext.

Embers of Caerus can go on that last list too. I guess Darkfall:UW too. Both I would classify as hybrids.

[Tasha Clifford]

Embers of Caerus can go on that last list too. I guess Darkfall:UW too. Both I would classify as hybrids.

Agree, Darkfall and Mortal Online, Embers Of Caerus looks good as well.

Hybrid is the future in my opinion.

[Farrah Barry]

OP, /agree.

Now if they'd add housing I might have a another 8 year subscription replacement for SWG.

Give them time to finish this lot. I'd place my bets on a post launch expansion pack.
I think there are many people potentially cancelling other subscriptions when this goes live.

[Laura-Jayne Lee]

not at all, not all. but LEGO is the best example what sandbox means to be (this is except for a real sandbox)

a sandbox game will only provide you with some 'bricks' (mechanics, modules, features, whatever you call it) and from that point on EVERYTHING is up to you
build a castle? - do so
build a farm? - do so
build a car? - do so
build a cave full of monsters? - do so
add a hero to slay all the monsters? - do so
don't care for building but throwing the bricks around? - hell yeah, do so!

THAT is sandbox!

Elder scrolls never had this, why would it now?

[Rachell Katherine]

ESO will be labeled a Theme Park but it's really a Hybrid.

Especially if they do add in the players as vendors thing they were talking about.

I dont see how it is a Hybrid. From what we have heard so far, players will not be able to create their own content.
Again, I think people are confusing Non-linear (go anywhere you want) with Sandbox (players create content). They have nothing to do with each other.

[Lew.p]

I dont see how it is a Hybrid. From what we have heard so far, players will not be able to create their own content.
Again, I think people are confusing Non-linear (go anywhere you want) with Sandbox (players create content). They have nothing to do with each other.

If creating your own content would be the definition of a sandbox, that would make Star Trek Online and Neverwinter a sandbox, and I'm not comfortable with that.

[Poetic Vice]

I dont see how it is a Hybrid. From what we have heard so far, players will not be able to create their own content.
Again, I think people are confusing Non-linear (go anywhere you want) with Sandbox (players create content). They have nothing to do with each other.

I agree but even the "go anywhere you want" in TESO is wrong, i can't go anywhere i want. Also, can i progress through the whole game without doing a single quest or entering into Cyrodiil, will i end up in the same place as someone doing all the quest has.

[Amy Melissa]

If creating your own content would be the definition of a sandbox, that would make Star Trek Online and Neverwinter a sandbox, and I'm not comfortable with that.

The foundry is not the same as creating content in a persistent sandbox world.