If every single post you make here is negative... : Othor Games

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:46 am

Seriously, it's simple: If you're not going to like this game, not going to play it, and have no interest in it, then there is no reason for you to be here posting your negativity every damn minute and ruining it for those of us who are excited.

It is one thing to post negative criticisms (in all honesty, from what I have read, I am not excited), but if all you are going to bring to this forum is a negative attitude, we don't want you here.

And "we care about the Elder Scrolls series" is not a valid reason to be constantly negative all the time.

This point has been addressed intelligently and respectfully. Please actually read the thread if you choose to participate.

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:59 am

Again, using logic. Game engine, character face/body design, weapon/fabric/texture design was 90% of that time, all of which had nothing to do with what Bethesda was doing with Skyrim. Initial storyline to create the game world did not affect Skyrim either, because the lore already existed for this time window they created for the most part.

Now...MMO's need new content. That means eventually they will need new creatures. New dungeons, some of which will have history. Main bad guys in the dungeons will need lore and background. New 'plots' involving world dangers (think expansion packs like WoW) will need to be developed. All of this will logically have to be completely new ideas in order to keep subscribers paying. Again, I reiterate- Bethesda writers will have to be involved at some point of this process.

Now, you can say that this won't affect the timeline of a new TES game, and I cannot fault that, for we have the example of Skyrim. But I do posit this: it will affect the quality of a new single player game, and here's why: those ideas they are using for the MMO, new dungeons, new lore, new bad guys...are ideas that could have been used in a new single player game. Over the course of five years' development for an Elder Scrolls game, we've heard on the podcasts how little details are dreamt up and put aside for use in the game. Now, they will have to share some of those with the MMO.

How can you dispute that?

These are all assumptions. You are assuming they did no story work in those 5 years?

Factually, the 5 year developement of TESO has not effected the single player games at all.

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:48 pm

Im looking forward to this game but posts like the OP's seriously annoy me.

Why shouldnt people be able to give their opinion on a subject they have strong feelings about?
People who are unhappy with this decision have exactly the same right as any of us to post what they think.

This whole mentality of: Spoute praise or youre not welcome here is not only unfair, it is dangerous.
It is undemocratic.
These are not the kind of mores and morals that we hold dear in our civilised societies.
Debate and even just opinion giving should show all shades of opinion people may have on the subject, and not single out the one most in favour, while shouting that everyone who doesnt agree doesnt belong here.

This childish, undemocratic and totalitarian attitude needs to go, it is not an advlt nor an enlightened position to take.

» Mon May 14, 2012 4:23 am

So a car runs you over because there were no safety barriers. You break both legs. But instead of campaigning to put in safety barriers you do nothing since you know your government won't do anything about it there is no point trying. I'd rather spit in the wind than do nothing.

I still want to discuss this and I feel strongly about it. We might not agree and I do admit I do have a bias towards knocking a mmo game but I will try and be as fair as possible. If you present to me enough evidence why this game is awesome and why it will be innovative and complerly fresh from the ones that came before I will hop on the 'yay online' idea. For me TES never has been about multiplayer. It would take something special to change that, I don't see anything special yet.

Sorry anology is stupidly out of context but I hope you understand what I am saying

The difference here - and this is ultimately the point - unlike your horribly anology of unsafe driving conditions, a bad video game harms you nothing.

If it's not a game that appeals to you, don't buy it. You can avoid the game, instead of going on to the internet forum - that is intended for the fans and community that is nterested in the product - and constantly [censored]ing about it.

Not playing The Elder Scrolls Online isn't going to take away Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, or Skyrim. Those games will always exist, and always be available for you. The worst case scenario is that for some reason The Elder Scrolls Online stops development of future single player Elder Scrolls games, which svcks and I don't want to see, but still doesn't hurt you.

However, I highly doubt that is the case. The example was made earlier in this thread of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, but there is a difference there.

BioWare never even touched the series after the first game. They licensed the sequel out to Obsidian, and went on to other IP's, until they decided to come back with the MMO.

That is not was has happened with Bethesda and ZeniMax. ZeniMax, a separate studio, has been developing an Elder Scrolls spin off MMO for 5 years. In that 5 years, we have gotten Oblivion expansion content, Fallout 3, Fallout 3 expansion content, and Skyrim, and will have future Skyrim expansion content. The development of an Elder Scrolls MMO has not stopped Bethesda from making the games that they make, because unlike BioWare and their Old Republic series, it is not one studio splitting their resources between different projects, it is different studios working on different projects.

So really, if this game doesn't appeal to you, don't play it, and please take your negative attitude and leave this forum. You are obviously not a part of the audience for this game, so you don't need to be here.

I hate WoW. I'm not going to go onto the WoW forums and [censored] about how much that game svcks in an attempt to "make it better" - I am simply not part of that game's target audience, and I have no place on that forum.

Constant negativity has no place on this forum. That doesn't mean that negative opinions don't have a place - they absolutely do. But if all you are going to do is whine and cry about ZeniMax, MMO's, and everything else, then leave and stop ruining the experience for the rest of us.

» Mon May 14, 2012 4:59 am

I'm not hatin' I'm neutral, but I have my doubts about this game.
Mainly becasue of the people that usually come with MMOs ([censored] elitists and whatnot)
And from what I've read it will pretty much be a WoW clone with a TES setting, and that doesn't go well with me.
But I'll have to wait and see more before I judge it.

Ya I don't like all the elitists and stuff to they piss me off to and I don't want a wow clone but if it is that then I will still play it over wow since it will be set in the TES universe idk just my personal opinion about the game

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:45 pm

There wont be a TES VI unless the MMO dies.

There will be TES VI. Skyrim sold incredibly well, why would they just stop developing TES games?

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:57 am

Then why are you still here? :unsure:

Because if everyone were hyped overoptimistic fan-boys we wouldn't really have all that much discussion.

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:38 am

There wont be a TES VI unless the MMO dies.

So you're telling me that Bethesda Game Studios, the studio that has had 4 straight award winning titles and mainstream hits, is just going to stop developing the games that have made them a success just because a sister studio is producing a spinoff MMO title that will have no involvement from the original studio?

Your logic is incredible...

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:10 pm

You're missing my point, and I dunno why you think its against yours or whatever

Its called Elderscrolls Legend:Battlespire, its different from TES series, just as The elderscrolls Adventures: Redguard is different from the TES series as well. I didn't say anything about hurting anything. they were spinoffs and did not continue. and definently not in the way an MMO would

and Uesp has gone down hill in recent years :shrug:

I'm just letting you know there is a reason Redguard and Battlespire don't start off with "The Elderscrolls" and why Arena-Skyrim share similarities more so than the spinoffs done, and done. not trying to start an argument.

» Sun May 13, 2012 9:18 pm

So you're telling me that Bethesda Game Studios, the studio that has had 4 straight award winning titles and mainstream hits, is just going to stop developing the games that have made them a success just because a sister studio is producing a spinoff MMO title that will have no involvement from the original studio?

Your logic is incredible...

This. They are focusing on the wrong issues with this game.

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:24 am

These are all assumptions. You are assuming they did no story work in those 5 years?

Factually, the 5 year developement of TESO has not effected the single player games at all.

That is also an assumption- how do you know it did not affect the quality of Skyrim? We don't. An interesting fact to consider is that many thousands of TES fans have been critical of Skyrim's lack of detail: short storylines/lore in guild quests, limited options in the main story, impact on game world lore, etc. Those are all directly tied into what I just posited: that the writers may have to sacrifice time and ideas to contribute to this MMO.

Yes, it is an assumption, but one that is based on logic, and one that disputes your own.

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:34 am

No one is acting like this. everyone is criticizing he stuff that is already known. Stop making stuff up.

I never said people here was saying "NOOOetcetera" I was saying "there is a difference between critcism and "NOOO"".
And by that I mean there is a difference between criticizing TESO and bashing it.

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:26 am

You're missing my point, and I dunno why you think its against yours or whatever

Its called Elderscrolls Legend:Battlespire, its different from TES series, just as The elderscrolls Adventures: Redguard is different from the TES series as well. I didn't say anything about hurting anything. they were spinoffs and did not continue. and definently not in the way an MMO would

Iwould prefer a elder scrolls adventures with co-op Instead of this MMO :3

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:06 pm

Becouse maybe Zenimax will realise how stupid some things are with MMOs

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:20 am

There will be TES VI. Skyrim sold incredibly well, why would they just stop developing TES games?

Because MMOs are a better cashcow. They dont need to update graphics, they can charge a monthly fee, they can charge for additional items/services, and they can make expansion packs at much lower development cost than a whole new single-player rpg and still sell them at the same price. Thats why they went into the mmo business.

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:10 am

Oh the graphics could have been better,

Simply it is not about that.
The art is the point, the artdesign.
And that's my question why choosing this dammed comic look which is nearly the one who every MMO uses (Guild Wars 2, WoW, Runes of Magic and so one), why not making something different, does the market really needs, the same****** again.
So why? It is called Elder scrolls, but is there anything else about it?

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:36 am

That is also an assumption- how do you know it did not affect the quality of Skyrim? We don't. An interesting fact to consider is that many thousands of TES fans have been critical of Skyrim's lack of detail: short storylines/lore in guild quests, limited options in the main story, impact on game world lore, etc. Those are all directly tied into what I just posited: that the writers may have to sacrifice time and ideas to contribute to this MMO.

Yes, it is an assumption, but one that is based on logic, and one that disputes your own.

Skyrim is at 95% and has 70 GOTYs.

ESO did not hinder TES5, and won't hinder TES6.

» Mon May 14, 2012 1:56 am

The only way I can see TES Online impacting the single player TES games, is if TES Online performs so damn well (subscriber numbers over 5 million) that Zenimax turn to Bethesda Game Studios and say "TES Online is already catering to the fans of this IP. That market is doing well. Please focus on other IP like Fallout instead for now."

Interestingly, the vast majority of comments on gaming news websites (and these forums) regarding TES Online are incredibly negative. I don't see this game performing any better than SWTOR. If anything, I think it might grab a percentage of the WoW players, a percentage of the SWTOR players, and a percentage of the GW2 players, and just lower everyone's profit margins without performing particularly better than any of their competitors.

In shorter terms: Single player TES games are probably going to be a-okay

» Sun May 13, 2012 11:16 pm

Skyrim is at 95% and has 70 GOTYs.

ESO did not hinder TES5, and won't hinder TES6.

Skyrim is also the only game of its kind on the market and has no competition for fantasy sandbox play. The question remains that Skyrim could have been more detailed and more in depth if this MMO was not in development at the same time.

I made a separate thread for this discussion if you want to contribute. I don't want to derail this current discussion.

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:25 pm

The problem with this is that we can't trust their own statements- when Skyrim interviews were being done, they knew the MMO was in production and still made comments that suggested it would never happen, and that they only wanted to work on single player games. They can infer and suggest anything they want, but we now know they can lie by just omitting certain truths.

Their statement is true - Bethesda is only working on single player games. Bethesda has nothing to do with the development of TES Online. Todd Howard and team have no involvement in this MMO.

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:21 pm

For anyone who is still clueless about what we are ranting about, please read:

The announcement of this mmorpg has caused the fear that there will no longer be anymore single player TES.

The future of this MMO can only go 2 ways.

1) It becomes so fricking successful, that Zenimax Online merges with BGS and focus full time on it.
Result = No more single player TES

2) It fails miserably and becomes f2p.
Result = Massive layoffs in Bethesda and they go back to making Single Player TES (IF the MMO doesn't bankrupt them.
Small spoiler. The GI article confirms the MMO is fully voiced. Which other MMO is fully voiced? and How Much Did it cost?
There is a very real danger of this mmo bankrupting the company.

For people who say that both MMOs and Single Player would be made are just deceiving themselves.
Yes, the MMO and Skyrim were developed together. BUT unless there is an official TES 6 announcement,
CAN YOU CONFIRM that there will STILL be a single player TES 6 now that the MMO is announced?

Before arguing on this thread. Go find a copy of the leaked GI article and read it.
READ IT and leave your comments. My other poll's result is very clear. ALMOST EVERYONE HATES THIS MMO.

1) Really? I can't believe I even reading this. Bethesda Game Studios has already said the Elder Scrolls Online is not there next project and that is all on Zenimax Online. Do you have any idea how game development works, find me a story were after a successful game (any game) that the company that made it put all there teams on it? I bet you can't because it would be stupid. Lets look at the FACTS, Skyrim sold over 10 million copies to retail alone, over $620 million dollars... not including digital which it was Steam's fastest selling game. WoW the number 1 MMO, only has 10 million subscribers. ESO is not likely reach close to that amount at all, considering no other MMO has. Skyrim will likley bring in close, if not more that the amount of money they will generate from an MMO. Game companies do not, NOT make a sequel to a game that sold over 10 million copies. All I can ask is, are you people crazy?

2) While an MMO would cost upwards of a few millions to produce, look how much they made on Skyrim alone... one bad game will not bankrupt them. Almost ever developer/publisher has put out at least 1 bad game that flopped that are still here to tell the story. This is again another crazy thing to say, that has nothing to support it.

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:00 am

I'm mixed, I have good and bad things to say and my opinion of the game changes frequently with each new thing I hear. Until I get that new GameInformer in my mail and read the article for myself, though, I've still got some hopes for the way this game is going to come out.

» Mon May 14, 2012 1:01 am

Then why are you still here? :unsure:

Don't worry, when I find the info I'm looking for, I'm gonna stop coming here. Not because I want to be negative, but because negative posts discourage me from entering a forum. I RARELY enter Skyrim General Discussion for this reason.

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:53 am

Their statement is true - Bethesda is only working on single player games. Bethesda has nothing to do with the development of TES Online. Todd Howard and team have no involvement in this MMO.

This is correct.
It is also important to note that the development of other Elder Scrolls game besides the RPG series has never harmed the main RPG series in the past.
We have Battlespire, Redguard and the Elder Scrolls travel games designed for mobile phones.

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:25 am

That's just being antagonistic. A lot of people, myself included are very upset about this direction for the elder scrolls. If you had seen the threads about multiplayer you'd understand that there are strong opinions.

Then you don't need to be here on this forum because this game isn't for you.

You can go to the Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim forums where you do care about the product.