If you guys are getting your info from that DSO article, then I am calling BS. Why in sam hell would they release one city as reachable in Skyrim and not another, just for more content later down the road? That's the stupidest, most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, especially when lore is such an important part of TES and that doesn't fit into the lore at all.

But BattleSpire isn't a TES game, its called Elderscroll Legends: Battlespire, and fucntions differently in many many ways compared to Arena and Daggerfall

Final Fantasy XI didn't hurt SquarEnix's reputation. World of Warcraft didn't hurt Blizzard's reputation. Star Wars Galaxies didn't hurt Sony Online Entertainment's reputation. Etc. Etc.

Even after the flop that was Final Fantasy XIV, SquarEnix is still known mainly for it's single player RPGs.

Beware thee traveller, thou shalt fear thy loading screen

I fear this will be what the game turns into if it is not openworld, a travel and sightseeing tour 'The perfect snapshots of Tamriel'... well I'd prefer the whole province!

Yeah but i've heard online horror stories about Biowares ToR, which ran on the same engine. They have an evil overlord too

I'm building a gaming rig just for this.

Let's use a little logic here.

The Elder Scrolls series is Bethesda's defining achievement. Over two decades of hard work from hundreds of people. It's made them millions, and is their flagship title.

They have given all of this lore and story to another company to write an MMO. MMO's, by their nature, continuously update. That means they will need to add new dungeons, new enemies...new lore.

Do you logically expect that Bethesda will allow another game company to write this lore independently, without any participation or approval whatsoever?

No.

Therefore, Bethesda will be involved, on some level, for the duration of this online game.

Yeah, and I've heard horror stories about the Zelda CDi games... yet Zelda is still going severely strong.

For anyone who is still clueless about what we are ranting about, please read:

The announcement of this mmorpg has caused the fear that there will no longer be anymore single player TES.

The future of this MMO can only go 2 ways.

1) It becomes so fricking successful, that Zenimax Online merges with BGS and focus full time on it.
Result = No more single player TES

2) It fails miserably and becomes f2p.
Result = Massive layoffs in Bethesda and they go back to making Single Player TES (IF the MMO doesn't bankrupt them.
Small spoiler. The GI article confirms the MMO is fully voiced. Which other MMO is fully voiced? and How Much Did it cost?
There is a very real danger of this mmo bankrupting the company.

For people who say that both MMOs and Single Player would be made are just deceiving themselves.
Yes, the MMO and Skyrim were developed together. BUT unless there is an official TES 6 announcement,
CAN YOU CONFIRM that there will STILL be a single player TES 6 now that the MMO is announced?

Before arguing on this thread. Go find a copy of the leaked GI article and read it.
READ IT and leave your comments. My other poll's result is very clear. ALMOST EVERYONE HATES THIS MMO.

The game is 5 years in developement. Before Skyrim was even made.

Skyrim came out just fine. This won't touch TES6.

Haha! Ironic, because I did find it. They said that the thing they miss from modern MMOs is open dungeons. Areas designed for exploring and tough challenges, but where you can meet other players inside and team up naturally, instead of instancing everything. There will also be instanced dungeons for tougher challenges.

Of course, stop and think about that for just a second and you'll realize... that's exactly how WoW does it. Smaller dungeons (winding caves, barrow dens, etc) are all open, whilst the challenging dungeons are instanced. So they did have the "this is our new feature!" line. It was just a lie unless I've completely misunderstood them.

Yeah but i'd be a shame to have those stories in the first place. Leave TES alone! It's my baby

Thankyou putting this into words

Phyber sums up a lot of our fears. And from past history this TES online issue was always unpopular. I'm surprised they actually approved it. Clearly it is not aimed at a good portion of the fanbase (portion, I understand not all are against online just a fair chunk are)

It may not be such a bad thing. GW1 was not open world, but it still has butt loads of content, and the loading screens weren't too bad. At the very least, they can make the zones by country (e.g.: Skyrim all one zone, Cyrodiil all one zone, etc.), and that would still be better than them leaving out cities. There will be loads of opportunities to give more content just based on all of the lore and sheer size of the TES world, so what rational thought process would lead them to skimping out on accessible cities?

Oh my goodness...Zelda Wand of Gamelon....
SEE?? This is the kind of mistake that even big companies like Nintendo makes.

Is this Elder Scrolls MMO a mistake? Who's to say it isn't??

The only thing I'm worried about is potential problems with exsisting lore.

Some recent MMO's have done a very, very bad job and failed quite hard. I hope TES Online doesn't fall in the same category; "The failed MMO's".

Sudden thought, a positive would be a hugely dramtic background vistas that often are missing (well...) not in TES games because the background is usually the world. But... thats kinda still just glitter *back to being upset about this *

I don't care about other MMO games dude never said i did im talking about TESO its not gonna have first person its not gonna have first person im not going to play another game because of that.... thank you very much

Seriously, it's simple: If you're not going to like this game, not going to play it, and have no interest in it, then there is no reason for you to be here posting your negativity every damn minute and ruining it for those of us who are excited.

It is one thing to post negative criticisms (in all honesty, from what I have read, I am not excited), but if all you are going to bring to this forum is a negative attitude, we don't want you here.

And "we care about the Elder Scrolls series" is not a valid reason to be constantly negative all the time.

Skyrim only JUST came out. It will be a while before there is a TES 6 anyway. I expect at least a year or two before anything is revealed about a new TES single player game. And if it is sooner, then I will lose faith in BGS anyway because the franchise deserves more than a crappy yearly installment to the series.

I honestly expected, if and when an elder scrolls mmo ever came about, that Bethesda (I know this is Zenimax) would do their legendary thing, and come out with something unique, that no one else has done before. That's what they did with the elder scrolls single player games since the 90s, and that is the one small hope I had, if and when a multiplayer elder scrolls game ever surfaced.

But this is a joke. No real time combat? Just press a button and kill an enemy while you watch the animation? No npc schedules - static npcs just stood around in the dark of night like lamp posts? They haven't even stuck to the architectural designs of much of the original Elder scrolls - those 'dark elf' buildings looked suspiciously like some sort of WoW rip-off, down to the curved archways and pointy roofs - where are the telvanni mushrooms or the smooth stone buildings of the Hlaalu? Why do the dark elves not look like dunmer one [censored] bit?

Seriously, this is the most derivative cookie-cutter mmo I have seen since runes of magic, even the end game content sounds boring. I am actually stunned at how simplistic and 'safe' they are keeping this game, and I hope it is to their own detriment.

I see other in development mmos that are doing cool new things, integrating first person real time combat, new ideas and concepts - actually taking RISKS. This is pathetically derivative, I am actually stunned at how derivative it is.

Sorry but that's BS. Redguard is also an Elder Scrolls Game. And that it works slightly different from the "main TES series" just like Battlespire does is exactly my point.
Neither Battlespire nor Redguard have damaged or in any other way caused harm to The Elder Scrolls itself. So why should The Elder Scrolls Online do that all of a sudden?
Elder Scrolls Travels are ALSO part of TES. If you like that or not does not matter.

They ALL carry the Elder scrolls name. They all are considered to be part of the Elder Scrolls series officially. Even UESP has them in their "portfolio"!


I even highlighted what you said in my quote: "would be very interesting to see a mmo do that"
a MMO.... nothing specifies TESO in your sentence.

I just pointed out that you don't even know wtf you are talking about. Seriously...

I'm not hatin' I'm neutral, but I have my doubts about this game.
Mainly becasue of the people that usually come with MMOs ([censored] elitists and whatnot)
And from what I've read it will pretty much be a WoW clone with a TES setting, and that doesn't go well with me.
But I'll have to wait and see more before I judge it.

Again, using logic. Game engine, character face/body design, weapon/fabric/texture design was 90% of that time, all of which had nothing to do with what Bethesda was doing with Skyrim. Initial storyline to create the game world did not affect Skyrim either, because the lore already existed for this time window they created for the most part.

Now...MMO's need new content. That means eventually they will need new creatures. New dungeons, some of which will have history. Main bad guys in the dungeons will need lore and background. New 'plots' involving world dangers (think expansion packs like WoW) will need to be developed. All of this will logically have to be completely new ideas in order to keep subscribers paying. Again, I reiterate- Bethesda writers will have to be involved at some point of this process.

Now, you can say that this won't affect the timeline of a new TES game, and I cannot fault that, for we have the example of Skyrim. But I do posit this: it will affect the quality of a new single player game, and here's why: those ideas they are using for the MMO, new dungeons, new lore, new bad guys...are ideas that could have been used in a new single player game. Over the course of five years' development for an Elder Scrolls game, we've heard on the podcasts how little details are dreamt up and put aside for use in the game. Now, they will have to share some of those with the MMO.

How can you dispute that?

Oh sorry that i didn't specify that i did not know about every other mmo out there dude, and now i have no idea what i am talking about. Dude like i said I dont give a [censored] about what your talking about if it is not TESO related so please shut up if you have nothing to say about the game since no one wants to hear it anyways

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