House is the only one of the four that I will side with regardless of Karma. If I'm roleplaying an NCR Loyalist or a Legion member thats one thing but 99.9 percent of the time I'm siding with house.

-Thanks.

I agree. play the legion and the ncr against eachother, reap the benefits. My house character has the legion safehouse, ncr, followers and soon BoS safhouses. The best part is its more saisfying when you strike against them. I gave the legion a howitzer firing mechanism, that would weaken ncr, however I dont hate ncr. Just want them out, and hate thier politicians. In retern to sender I allowed the guy to do what he was oing, he could leave, kimbel would look bad, less innocents die. Then with my safehouse key, killed the legion veteran inside after leaching 8 stealthboys of him. then wiped out the fort, cotton wood cove, gave raid plans to ncr, and dropped the barels in cottonwood.
I imagine at the end of my game the legion wil be fractured,a and the ncr will be forced to stay in its boundries and reform how it works. While house improves vegas and gets a foothold.
Why hate the ncr ? I understand hating the leaders, but the footsoliders new recruits just doing thei job, no issue.


Agreed. And they want t=dictators, look at the ncr in fallout 2, and what they did to vault city. If any one is the real dictator its them. And they are more dangerous dictators than the legion. The legion is open about it, but the ncr hide it.


I think this will be most people, the ncr guys will get a little further beofere deciding he is evil

-Again, I follow this line of thinking more or less in my own games.

My Job as houses agent (His robot saved me, his caps screened my approach, he pays 4x what he was supposed to and I get to plug benny) is a job that is a rewarding one but also one that requires me to hedge my bets. Not only for Houses sake, but for mine. Because whilst house is in a bunker and pretty much unassailable, I will be out there walking the mohave, overlooking Vegas. They cant get to him. But they can get to me. So I have to eliminate every single threat, take every precaution, no matter how trivial to wear out both NCR and the legion. Because both will see me as the henchman that made it all happen. And whilst its not nice to kill conscripts, they would kill me if given the order and the chance. I will take precautions to try to spare lives, but I will be absolutely ruthless when I have to. I might like to be able to negotiate a deal with the kings but they are an autonomous faction within Houses vegas. Its going to be hard to have them release that autonomy when house expands, and I do undestand and support Houses "eviction".

As for BoS. Most people seem to think that they are rather beneovlent, safe and even honorable. I really don't see that . If you look to the capital wastland where BoS has a foothold, the "traditionalist" often ask you if you as a local "shouldn't be banging rocks together" that pretty much says what you need to know. They will uplift themselves and keep you in the stoneage. Now. House is arrogant. But BoS even more so... especially if they are on top. BoS has one goal. Getting as much high end weapons tech away from the rest of the world as they can. Because they are the only ones "worthy and responsible" enough to safeguard it. Now if that isnt arrogant I do no know what is. BoS isn't concerned about humankind any more than the legion or House. They just want the tech.... The weapons tech. Most other tech apparently isnt a priority for them. And since House has the Securitrons and most likely alot other advanced prewar tech, there isnt a chance in hell they would leave House alone when/if they got reorganized. They would walk straight up to the lucky 38, harvest tech, leave a smoldering ruin and leave Vegas to fend for itself. And I am supposed to pity these people ? Nah... I don't think so.

If I can get the ncr and the legion to destroy themselves and their organisations and leave their tactical abilities in complete ruin, I am not only doing House a favor. I am doing myself one. A huge one. And the way I do it best is by having them assume that I am the bestest wee friend they ever had... Untill I a m ready, Untill I hold all the cards, Untill I hold the razor to their throats.

The thing I like about playing for House is,

A. He rewards you without being a complete dike [See NCR to define 'dike']
B. You were asked to recover this chip, he could have easily killed you and kept the money, yet he does not, in fact, he rewards you 4x (5x should you have a good barter)
C. He has a plan beyond the 'manifest destiny' crap NCR pulls.
D. He and Caesar are more intelligent than anyone from NCR politics.
E. House has got the force of will to ensure his vision is true.
F. House graduated from a presitgous college at 20, founds what will become a multibillion dollar corporation (RobCo) at the age of 22 years old, he built a missile defense system that would save Vegas mostly (Entirely had the War happened as he predicted)
G. House predicted the Great War of 2077 and was a mere 20 hours off.

All of these plus more that I'll save space and quit listing atm are key reasons he is the only suitable future for Las Vegas. Especially reason F.

Not just you or house, the wasteland, and even the ncr will be better when the ncr decides to stop expanding and focus on its own crap before trying to "help" others by taking over.
It was a shame innocents will be hurt, but many more would be hurt if the ncr took over, more if the legion did.


This. House isnt one in a million, he is one in a [censored] billion.

He sacrificed alot to save New Vegas sure. And he intends well. But only Vegas will prosper under him, not the mojave. All of houses plans seem to rotate around New Vegas and much grander dreams like going into space. He wiped out the kings for helping NCR, and he may offer jobs to the poorer people but he may just use securtrons as it is more profitable for them to work. And he will need all his recourses to get into space. Even if he offers jobs to poorer people in freeside i have no doubt that NCR would do the same. House offers no more than the NCR except for a little less corruption, but i personally would rather have a system who, although it has plenty of corruption, is still overall good for the Mojave and New Vegas. Than a dictator who will only help New Vegas and whos word is law.

QFT.
I like the idea of the NCR but they push too hard and too fast, any military strategist knows that for actual, long term, conquest, you need the support of the people, it's pretty much rule 101 of extended warfare. NCR just hurry through, taking out strongholds of resistance and leaving behind taxes and raiders. They earn the righteous hatred of many for doing so and it can only lead to destabilisation. To be honest I'm surprised they are still held together, normally I'd expect to see such a force rapidly divide into something akin to city states rather than remain united. Should they be allowed to continue it will almost certainly happen.

As others have said I hold no hatred for the foot soldier, they're just people doing a job, it's the bureaucrats behind it, the politicians and the overall mentality of the NCR which is at fault.

BoS are even worse, I like the FO3 BoS led by Lyons, but the actual BoS are not friendly, out there to help fellas, they're hoarders, they will kill and let hundreds die in order to get some more weaponry which they will then use purely and solely to defend themselves, half the time against those people they were killing to get the damn stuff.
I do pity some of them in NV, certainly those who are more free thinking but as a whole they are an horrific threat, not only to anyone controlling the Mojave but to everyone within it. They are dangerous and I feel any deal brokered would only delay their attacks, they're too arrogant and self righteous to hold off on grabbing tech.

The Legion is just nasty. Although they at least are led by a man with more than a little tactical knowledge (integration of tribes, complete subjugation, training from early on etc) they are still fools. I can't remember who said it but it's true, they continuously insist on bringing a knife to a gun fight, literally. Hard as nails opponents certainly and surprisingly insidious (their spies impressed me I have to say, I underestimated them that way) but damned fools. They would ultimately fall apart anyway, with Caesar gone they lose their brains and replace it with a man who is essentially a tamed animal, trained solely to kill and harm. He would probably result in divisions opening up within the Legion, I would be surprised if he had the wherewithal to continue Caesar's impressive subjugation tactics.

Wild card? Give me a break. It never matters how good the current ruler is, you have to look at the guy round the corner. The courier could be a saint and certainly a capable person, but they have relatively (to House) little experience and a short lifespan. Even assuming they name a successor NV would be hard pressed to prosper that way.

House is the most logical option, he's highly competent, as evidenced above by others, he's incredibly intelligent and his knowledge of robotics alone makes him one of the most powerful men alive. Founder of RobCo means he may have access to information about where to find good resources and of course he has his network of securitrons.
He isn't a bad person, certainly better than 99.9% of those who play the game make their character be.



I just see no logical reason to exclude him. What he does to the Kings svcks imo, I dislike that move but I can see the reasoning and it is sound. Everything else he does? Brilliant. Throw in a right hand guy who is competent and you have a powerful ruling force, capable of serious and fast progress.

Wrong, want to see what happens when you expand to quickly, look at Rome, or the NCR, they cant control it, spread to thin, and then fall. House spreads out however. He just dose it at a good pace. End game he has freeside, he also moves into outer vegas and erradicates the fiends. His going into space benefits everyone as its a second chance not to [censored] the world up. Difference being the ncr joobs would just be soldiers to get more land...
Pre war technology, pre war knowlage, maintains order, economic and technoligical genius. The ncr is not only inferior, but a parasite, house builds pre war, ncr slavages everything, the only reason they have PA is the BoS. You cant scavenge forever. They want the strip, the only reason anyone would want it is because house preserved it and made it what it is. The ncr wants the mojave, and wants house dead, basically he didnt give them what they want they kill him. To me it sounds like something a dictaitor would do. House just wants the strip he isnt "rah me want ncr territory, kill ncr". And Did you reaad what I posted about NCR and vault city ? Democracy, lol they are almost as bad as caesers legion, maybe worse because atleast the legion has the balls to say "yes we are going to [censored] take your land, like it or not." the ncr tries to pretend its a good force, but really they are the same as the legion.

My character finally decided House needed to die when he was told to go kill off the Brotherhood of Steel in the area. Uh, what? Of course he was likely already thinking of it when he recruited the Boomers.

I have no qualms with killing them when I've used them. Seriously, the Western BoS is a blight upon humanity. The Eastern BoS is how the BoS should be, collecting tech but helping humanity in it's own right. The Mojave chapter of the BoS are the 'true' brotherhood, that in all basic truths, are nothing more than tribals that worship technology as their God, and they flutter into a fit and grump when someone has more or better tech than they. The BoS has no reason to exist, let them die off, I can't say I'll miss them when I'm having a drink in the Lucky 38 cocktail lounge as Houses right hand. :wink_smile:

In all fairness Rome did last quite a while. . Id look at the british empire. Sure they owned alot and a sure "The sun never set on british soil", but it wasnt for long compared to Rome.

In all other respects I do agree. Especially with the "Can't scavenge forever" remark.

I am nethier a House lover or a House bat[censored] insane hater, but I can tell you... He is going to leave all the towns outside of vegas to rot, so theres motivation to kill him.

True, but the British I think was more due to fighting the French, could have kept going a bit longer if it wasnt for that. That and trying to control America all the way from the UK is just stupid, even with todays technology that would be hard. Should have moved there imo. Got to give them credit though 1/3rd of the world is an achivement, especially given how small the UK is.
While Rome lasted long, it dragged everything down when it fell, much like the ncr will.

No he wont leave everyone to rot, why dont people understand that, look house is moving at a good pace, keeping order, the ncr is not. The ncr tries to "help" everyone, but fails, so either way those towns are [censored], its just in the long term house helps them, ncr drags them down.

And do you believe the NCR is any better? The NCR only want to strip Vegas of it's rescources and sent it back to California, if you listen to the dialogue in the game, the NCR makes it quite clear this is their intent. House doesn't 'leave them to rot' he just has no interest, so he let's them worry about their problems. In real life, when you see someone you have no interest in complaining they cant afford that shiny bike, you have the money, but most people will just say 'I wish I could help.' People are not mad because House wont help, in the end it boils down to money. House has money, money yields command over material goods, House has many material goods, and the world gets mad when they see someone financially better than they, yet, you give that same person money, they'd defend their 'right' to that money and wealth and call you jealous.

My point in short, it's a vicious cycle of jealously and want.

-Nah. Goodsprings gets Victor as safety and an upgraded securitron to safeguard that place is ample. Even if they don't trust him and house uses Vic to keep tabs on teh locals he leaves them alone. No taxes and they don't get slaughtered by the legion.

-Primm gets the ex-con sheriff and he and his deputies are well capable of handling that.

-Novac does ok

ect...

And sooner or later House will find another city with "vegas" potential and set up another shop there. Why not? It would be good business to be able to svck up more caps from all over the US. More caps, more power, higher likelyhood of ensuring the success of his vision. Even if he doesn't I will. Because I will follow in the footsteps of house and whilst he is in a nice box its not going to keep him alive forever. So Ill pursue techno-lichdom like house did and get things rolling in the spirit of house. Who knows. With the right people everything is possible.

The basic misconception is that they killed House because they wanted the Strip. It's only true in so far that their want for the Mojave has put them in the area.
The real reason why the NCR sends you to kill him is because they know he's planning something against them. And they are right, it's a sad matter that you can't investigate or bring evidence before you do, but if left alive House would attack the NCR after (or during) the battle of Hoover Dam.

Also the NCR do have industry and production capabilities, the gun-runners being an obvious example. Nothing comparable to pre-war societies and high-tech stuff (like RARE power armor) probably still needs to be scavenged.


You make it sound like they're going to pick the entire Mojave clean and just up and leave. That's rather silly.
They off course want the resources of the Mojave (water and power being two very important ones), but to that end they wish to add Mojave into their Republic. For a place that quite obviously would become a tourist attraction it would seem odd to strip it clean and leave it to rot. Never mind that they'd need to introduce a lot of industrial infrastructure for the exploitation of resources (trains, food production, housing processing plants, etc...).

Still it doesn't have to be about jealousy. House doesn't care about people (he might care about humanity, though I'd say he cares more about Vegas and his goals), so he has no qualms with the Mojave being unsafe (though he is partially responsible) as long as he has no need for those places. Under the NCR or Legion the roads and towns are guarded. I'd say that's a valid reason.
After all the decision is about you choosing which side you back up. The player gets to weigh the options and decide whether he would like the Mojave to be patrolled by law enforcer or if that's a matter the towns should work on themselves.

I'm actually going to play an independent character who kills House because she want his power, though. So that's one for jealousy.

Wrong. The ncr already has the Mojave, but no thats not good enough, they want everything.

The gun runners were supplying before the ncr came along, they ncr just took them after they had thier industry going, vertibirds what few they have, were stolen fom the enclave, and PA was stolen from the brotherhood.
Parasites dont makeprogress, they die without a host, and the ncr is running out of things to leach off.

Lets see their veteran rangers wear old riot armour scavenged. Half of the army is in the mojave, all under supplied and under trained. They have been there 5 years. aside from taking loactions that were already established, all they have done is set up a few tents and placed a few flags.


Again ncr dosent build, the monorail, thats pre war, all they did was turn it on again. They couldnt get it fixed if anything broke due to no parts.
Mr house on the otherhand brought vegas back, and did so in under 7 years. That is a miracle, and shows how pathetic ncr is.
How is house responsible ?? "Oh look this place isnt safe well its entirely his fault, he shouldnt have rebuilt, made an amazing economy, and focused on building". House strugglewith power outs, then rebuilt vegas, then domesticated 3 tribes (ncr just kills them) created an amazing economy, and now we are in the current situation. If you let house win, fiends are wiped out, securitrons go to Primm with high taxes (just like ncr only safer)
freeside is safer, and goodsprings. I would say he is spreading out. If you have good karma it says you enfluence his choices, unlike ncr which just thanks you and dose what it wants.
Under ncr roads are gaurded ? Lol I regularly get attacked, and what about nipton, where was the protection then ? Powder gangers ? Sloan ? The ncr cant protect anyone, take the mission to stop kimbals death, they cant even protect him if you do nothing.
Look at this, ncr kills house, house protects thier president from assassins. Hmm which side is better then ? The one who kills a man for not doing what he wants, or one who is just protecting his stuff while helping those who would wrong him ? I would think house is one of the onyl people on earth at the time that could be so kind.

Most towns are independent. Most of the places they own are military camps set up against the legion.
They don't have industry themselves (seeing they are a government and not a business), but California has industries. They don't have high-tech industry, though. It would be pretty silly if they built their own power-armor at this point, when before the war this was the height of war technology.
As you should have noted going through the story, the NCR has been trying to hold of the Legion's invasion, while dealing with raiders and such sorts inside the Mojave. This has been their focus and has stopped them from annexing the Strip. Not to mention that Mr. House doesn't want them to annex anything north of the Mojave outpost for his own plans. As long as Mr. House holds the strip they're limited in their actions.


Not really, it shows the differences between the two. The NCR is less direct, starting diplomatically and then when that fails start do underhanded covert ops things. House he throws a large force of securitrons on the tribes occupying the Strip, boots out all but three, gives them the casinos and I'd wager throws some Mr. Handies in to construct the walls and repair the casinos. I wouldn't call it an all out miracle, he probably had that thing planned out years ago, I'd call it efficient and prepared.
As for not fixing the monorail, as I said they don't have high-tech industry. They do however lay down train-tracks which obviously means they have rebuilt trains and it's infrastructure in California.


First Primm is not safer without the NCR. And the protection is dubious, since they are there mostly to enforce House loyalty. There's no Securitron "help" if you made anyone else the sheriff.
Secondly NCR supposed incompetence is in part for gameplay reasons and the other part is actually explained ingame. It is important to separate things done for gameplay reasons from the story presented.
It would be very boring if you traveled along unhindered never encountering raiders or dangerous animals because of the NCR. This is why, if House held the Mojave, the game would have to make him incompetent. Heck without you, the Courier, House would still be trying to get his Platinum Chip. It be pretty boring if all sides had no use for you and those quests were already going to a competent [faction here] soldier/agent.
The NCR is focusing on a Legion invasion, while fighting off coordinated Fiend attacks, while Legion saboteurs throw them off. The game implies their troops are already occupied and California's political climate is holding back on sending proper reinforcements. This is given as an explanation of why they need someone like you so often.

Also House is not a kind man, he's a pragmatic man who knows the value of not being vilified. He can be nice, but really he's not the poor underdog fighting the good fight you make him out to be. Like all other factions he wants to see his own plans succeed. Also who is he helping that has wronged him.

As for being responsible, in part he is. The ending is quite clear that once the NCR and Legion are gone, the roads become a lot less safe and there are more refugees. He removes those patrols from the roads and can't/doesn't replace them. It's not some evil plot, but it's a point that can weigh in with a players (or his character's) decision.

It never weighs in with me. I don't care about the Mojave, I care about House's Vision and Vegas. I guess I'm no better than he is. :shrug:

Too each his own and each player and, if your really roleplaying, each character has different idea/views on such matters.
Which is why we are lucky to have four different endings (discounting permutations).

If you get the Kings to make peace with the NCR as part of the initial NCR quest, House will have them all executed just to be a jerk.

With my first character, I deeply loved the NCR *What a fool I am :/*. So when the time came I and walked out satisfied.