Mr House is the only good choice. The Legion are a bunch of Tribal Slavers and the NCR are a bunch of Corrupt fools who believe that if you have something that entitles them to take it by force. Marcus sums it up best for both the Legion and the NCR.

"Push enough people around and thats how revolutions start"

"The Legion only follows Caesar's ideals when he is gone they will fall apart".

So between raiding slavers, a snakish Manifest Destiny 'Republic', a suspiciously overly friendly AI, and a man with a high sense of self importance, you think the self important one is the worst? I....don't follow your logic.

Yep, jacobstown was far away, not hurting anyone, but nope NCR cant have that can they. People say the enclave are evil but are the ncr any different ? The onyl difference is the enclave had the means to achive thier goals.


No he asks you to help with the boomers, just like the ncr and just like Caeser. Really can you stop sayying he is arrogant when he is the same as the other factions.

I can't quite remember his name, but that old fella from Auld Lang Sing, the guy that was a heavy fire troop, Moreno I think his name is? Anywho, I think he said it best. 'Had I been on the winning side, I'd have been called a hero.' And he makes a good point, to call a faction evil is mostly because we let others tell us who the bad guy is. But honestly, it's the guy with the most inffluence that tells us their bad, NCR calls the Legion evil, are they evil? That is debatable, but one could also call the Legion evil, but in the end, I feel there is to much reliance on faction love and personal feelings to make a neutral and unbiased point, alot of us here love House, and are making rational attempts at honest and fair points, but the arguments here against him are 'HE SAID SOMETHING I NO LIKE! HE MEAN BAD MAN CAUSE HE HURT MY FEELINGS!"

Saddest part is it pretty much seems "oh he hurt my feelings so I killed him". Really mature that is.
The legion keep order, and traders safe but as a result it drags civilisation to a lower standard.
NCR are just the old fail society.
House takes away democracy, but keeps order, and it dosent drag the place back like the legion, while keeping order unlike ncr. House = best.

Self important aka arogant. And i cant stand arrogance. Anyway in the long run the mojave would be better off than the republic and the romans were a bunch of raiding slavers but look how well they did. The roman empire was the biggest of its day. House is only interested in making new vegas better, and i bet he would not have helped the poor. Someone who wiped out a entire faction [the kings] just because they worked with the NCR to help freeside, would probably not bother helping the poor. At least the NCR would help the mojave [even if its just for their personal gain, they are still helping] and Ceasers legion would stabilize the Mojave. House would make New Vegas better, but thats it, and chances are he wouldnt help people in freeside or westside, just the rich people.

By making everyone their slaves and by doing away with all technology and medical advances?



Well in the end when he takes control of freeside from the Kings, we can only assume that he was now able to actually keep order in that area and clean in up. In fact he would probably develop the areas economy and make that entire area just like the strip (safe and wealthy).

-Who do you think wil benefit in NCR from Vegas getting annexed? The locals of Vegas or NCR business/corporate fatcats, (just as bad as house or worse), politicians and brahmin barons?

-Who do you think will benefit the most from the "stabilization" of the Mohave? And who will finance this stable Mohave with their lives, the lives of their wives and the lives of their children as they are slaughtered, sold or kidnapped into slavery?

Sooner or later House would have to include westside and freeside. He cant expand upward or downward, and a succesfull and prospering strip will need to expand. That means jobs for bartenders, bellhops, accountants, cleaners, plumbers, dealers, construction and maintainence teams. The wealth of vegas would trickle down, creating a middle class and as Vegas grew so would the middle class. Eventually House would need people to reconstruct schools, factories, sanitation which in turn would demand engineers, teachers, demo-experts ect ect ect. And then we havent even begun to consider the spin-off business from people travelling to and from vegas, or the potential to use prewar RobCo blueprints to construct items for export to other areas of the US.

Under House the city of New Vegas could very well become the first city in the post-apocalyptic US to reach pre war living standarts and a pre-war technological level.

Sure people would still live in squaler in the suburbs. But that would be because the people would flock to vegas in hope of jobs, and decent living conditions.Vegas quite simply would not be able to absorb the amount of citizens it got.

Benny's betrayal shows that House isn't infallible. Maybe he gets most of his predictions right. Good for him. How many variables do you think are involved in realizing his techno-utopia? Thousands? Millions? Over how many hundreds of years? Even if he has a 90% accuracy rate, that leaves hundreds if not thousands errors, and each one of those miscalculations could cascade and cause other problems. Accepting House's vision for Vegas is a matter of faith more than it is anything else. After all, the Courier is going to be long dead before House's plan comes together. House claims he can take a resort town, powered by booze, black jack, and hokers and use it create a society that surpasses the old world. There's no real proof he can do any of that.


Secondly, recruiting the courier as his new agent is a smart choice - assuming the courier doesn't throw in with one of the other factions. Then it's like I said and genius Mr House makes the same mistake twice. For all the courier had accomplished by reaching the strip, he hasn't done anything that proves he's any more worthy of Mr House's trust than Benny was. It's a gamble is what it is. The irony is that House recognizes he made a mistake with Benny by "improperly incentivizing him". So his improved incentives for the Courier amount to 1000 caps for the platinum chip (chump change) and access to a gloomy, dismal, dungeon-like hotel suite. I'd hate to see the incentives he offered Benny.


Maybe he considered it a calculated risk: maybe the courier will help me, maybe he won't, but my 'bots can protect me if he tries any funny stuff. The thing is, if the courier wants to play blackjack he has to surrender his weapons. But Mr House lets a stranger with unproven loyalties freely roam his sanctum fully armed. That shows either an extreme amount of arrogance or poor judgment regarding the intentions of others.

I think Yesman is (one of) the hidden card of House.

Benny was only civilized for seven years; it seem a bit of a feast for him to sneak a bug within House's information network. Not to mention how the Tops is connected Vault 21 (although all casinos in the Strip could be connected to it as well).

NCR helps the mojave by keeping fiends, raiders, deathclaws away from the locals. whats left of the viper gangs are testimony to that.

All the citizens of the Legion would benefit aswell as all the tribes who fought with the legion, although they would be absorbed into the legion aswell. Its a much more stable mojave as the citizens of the legion would be able to live in peace and not worry about getting their throat slit in their sleep. Thats how CL works, you are either with them or against them, and there is an argument for that as allying with diffrent tribes and leaving them alone would eventually lead to war and revolutions. Talk to Raul about CL, he says Arizona was a hell hole befcore CL came there, coudnt move from town to town because too many raidors.

So house is still helping New Vegas, not the mojave. Eventuallly House would probably raise taxes for all who live in new vegas to pay for schools, plumbing, jobs ect ect. How would he get this kind of wealth? Taxing the people of freeside would just lead to the poorer people leaving new vegas, into the wasteland. NewVegas would become a city only for the rich, leaving the poor to starve and die, or be slaughtered in the wastlenad.

What do you think his other hidden cards are ?


how dose NCR help ? They cant protect anywhere, their technology is all salvaged, their politics/government is already failing. And House dislikes them because they are greedy [censored]s, he is proven correct do ncr path, and they want you to kill house, that treaty they had, yeah that lasted until they were strong enough, house dosent want the ncr territory, ncr wants his. How is it wrong to have invaders ?

And another person said his calculations are wrong, this man started rob co, he buiilt all the pre war tech, he may not be able to build ships and other crap, but he can get the world to pre war standard.

Which begs the question, why? Why would House create a backdoor into his own security network which literally anyone could exploit?

Also remember that Benny didn't do all the technical work. He recruited a specialist from the FotA for that.

I'm working with the NCR and will inevitably have to kill him. I've attempted it before after saving, and it feels really wrong, especially when he's all shriveled up, telling you how much he could've done for the world.

-I grant that House isnt infallible. That should be obvious. Also I fully realize the plethora of variables, the millions of things that could go wrong. But then Humankind has had the same problem without the benefit of genious level intelligence and a stable income since day one. I don't think there would be any guarantees. But I think the odds are better with House. Much... much better.

As for accepting Houses vision as a matter of faith: How is that diffrent than any of the other factions? All of them could decide you were a liability and kill you at the drop of a hat.

This " resort town" you speak of was ruins mere decades before House got things sorted. If we look at the results alone, Id say that is a pretty empirical and tangible body of proof that he can get extraordinary things done in a very short time. The proof is in the neon and the slotmachines. Its in the mountains of caps and the rapid rediscovery of Vegas by tourists and gamblers. Its is in the fact that he essentially single handedly sheltered Nev Vegas from total nuclear obliteration. Its in the fact that he survived the war inside his tower despite the poweroutages and system faliures. Its in the fact that he planned for something like this for a decade before the war. Its in a manureload of other small and great things that House did or had a finger in doing. If this was luck alone then that would make him even more eligable to run Vegas because that luck would be almost divine. With all of the things that allready could have gone wrong, did go wrong and does go wrong during the game, Mr House has established quite a resume for himself. That CV would land him anything anywhere. Its a track record I have not seen anyone anywhere in the FO universe rivalling, let alone the real world. And he did it by him self! He could prolly run for dictator of NCR on his meritlist alone.

All benny did was kill one man then he was next in line, and had to svck up to House. He does that and did that very well. The courier has his head shot up, tracks his would-be murders across the wasteland, leaving a trail of destruction and mayhem, or feelgood and love in his tracks. For 250 caps. Or to keep up his track record of deliveries. Thats pretty driven. That probably makes Mr House wonder what else this rather unique individual can accomplish under his tutorledge. Taking a calculated risk to get such a man as your representative would be well worth the risk because he is as or more unique than House himself.

Besides we have to remember that whilst the courier is basically a superman-esqe person, those securitrons in their non-upgraded version persuaded (or cowed into submission which ever form you like) the better part of Vegas , Hoover dam, The NCR, several tribes, and all other sorts of rifraff in the mohave. For anyone but the courier it would mean certain death to even try to enter the lucky 38. If anyone but the courier had tried to open the inner sanctum doors he would have what... 5-7 securitrons trying to kill him? How many could have survived even un-upgraded securitrons of that magnitude? The odds of that are pretty slim. It would be like trying to destroying 5-7 Tanks with a swiss army knife. A dull one. House has all the reason in the world to assume that he is quite safe.

whose to say that one man would come into the lucky 38. If there was like 20 enemies breaking into the lucky 38 then the odds are much better. House is not completely safe and should not act like he is. Also the courier who house let into the lucky 38 could have been carrying a bomb and could have planted it inside the lucky 38 without house knowning. Could have planted a listening device inside the lucky 38. All of these things prove that house should have gotten rid of all of the couriers weaponry, and items. He did not which shows stupidity or arrogance

Once again, Gameplay vs Reality. If some mob tried to invade the Lucky 38, he'd simply close the blast doors, thus making him invulnerable again. Also, you CAN plant a bug in the Lucky 38, but House disarms it within 3.8 seconds (he says so himself) I'm getting tired of explaining realism versus gameplay to you.

-This.

Of my two playthroughs (House and NCR), House had the more satisfying outcome for me. House is arrogant , for sure, but the NCR seems more duplicitous. Not individual people in the NCR, but the system as a whole seems to give the impression that they are out to help the people when they are really just serving the NCR's own interest. Sunny Smiles says "They are looking out for thier own, it just happens to benefit us." There is no perfect faction to side with, which makes this a great game. I don't like House as a "person," but his ending was definitely better than the NCR ending for me....which also is dependent on how one completes various quests along the way.

Its a tricky topic, in real life new vegas would be wiped out like everything else. There would be no ghouls and house would have died of old age. no mutated geckos, or anything like that. No stinpacks, no simply walking through irradiated zones without getting cancer and dieing. In real life he could just close the blast doors, in gameplay, i could kill house fairly easily. Lets just say i hate house and you love em, and leave it at that.

I love this game, its so realistic, the way every faction has an argument that its doing good. Lots of grey areas, not black and white like fallout 3. Great game
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I never said Realistically, I said realism, IE in terms of realism, the Courier isnt a gun toting god of death, he'd likely have died in the grave. But the game is nerfed so whiny boohoos wont say "THIS GAME TO HARD, ME NO WANT PLAY TOUGH GAME." despite there being a difficulty slider. The ending if you side with House proves people fear Securitrons, as only...what, 10 or so were behind Oliver and he started to panic.

My point is, don't use gameplay mechanics as a fallback argument, it's poor showmanship on your part. If you cant make an equally good point about how it would really happen if it wasnt just a game, then just say, "I don't know how to respond." I HATE those 'well in the game....' last man standing arguments. :banghead:

I used gameplay mechanics caus you did, you say robots were difficult to kill, and i said they wernt. Thats difficult to discuss aswell caus we could be playing on diffrent difficulty or hardcoe mode.We could have diffrent weapons, or diffrent armour So can we leave the whole robots are a good defense or not.

[Also, general oliver probably knew that there were loads of securitrons elsewere]

*headdesk* x (I dont know how to do infinity symbols)
Realistically you would die from one shot, a secvuritron would not, due to titanium armour plating. Realistically you wouldnt kill one unless you had c4. That is what he is on about. It isnt made that way however because people would complain. Please dont keep dragging limits imposed by the devs into this. Otherwise we can all say about how the legion isnt a huge army when there were what 50 at the final battle.

How would General Oliver know there was a securitron army stashed away somewhere? Fortune cookies? Lucky 8-ball? Televangelist speaking in tongues?

One of Saurons Palantirs. I know so, a cave rat told me so.