The nord's loud voices were never attributed to dragons before Skyrim was announced. No one seemed to be angry about it. Why are you angry about bats?

That's not a very good rebuttal.

Anon Order vampire tells vampire hunter about Order vampires (Provides evidence that's conclusive with other books/in-game appearance) then attacks vampire hunter. Vampire hunter turns up in Skyrim as a cyrodillic vampire, Volkihar vampires also exist in Skyrim.

Getting infected by either provides the same disease/curse/strain as the other.

Meanwhile a new vampire stronghold is unveiled, it's called Castle Volkihar.

The structure of the Vampires in the trailer isn't an attribute related to the Volkihar vampires that currently roam Skyrim or in Immortal Blood but forumites are still saying that this new Breed of vampires could be/should be Volkihar.

I believe the book is The Exodus my good sir.

This is the Beth forums. Using a steel longsword contradicts lore...

(Of course, I don't exaggerate, but still...)

How does one know this? The Volkihar Vampires already in game are just powerful mages that are Vampires. How does one know their Vampiric Strain is the same as the Cyrodilic? We do know that we get a NEW Vampirism Disease in Skyrim.. Maybe this is the Volkihar Strain and most of the Vampires we see in Skyrim are ones that were infected? And the Special Volkihar ones are the original Vampires that infected them? Also, since it is a different disease, maybe it does have a secret that will lead to the Vampire Lord? And Bethesda is now deciding to release that secret? Also, the Volkihar Vampires from Dawnguard may just be more powerful versions than the ones we see in Skyrim now.. Maybe they are more powerful cause they are Ancients? We just gotta wait and see, now do we?

Because ONLY the Cyrodiilic vampires can blend when they are well-fed.

Does that mean the vampire clans in Daggerfall are of the Cyrodiilic variety? Because I heard they blend in.

But I don't think the Volkihar blend in. If they did, there'd really be no reason for them to hide under the ice.

They are ugly in Daggerfall. Pale, red eyes and fangs. You can even see it in the character window.

Movarth exists as he was taken by a member of the Order (Cyrodillic tribe), when attacked by either him or a Volkihar you end up with Sanguinaire Vampiris, this could portentially be just a different name for the disease, diseases can go by many names. Do either the Volkihar vampires with this strain that you speak of represent ingame law that's already established?

No unless they were of The Order or someone else, it would just be a bad cop out.

Don't get me wrong, I'm really looking forward to this fleshing out of the much needed 1 sided vampires in Oblivion and Skyrim, but does it pain people to read educated guesses and speculation concerning their origin or Bethesda's motivation behind said decision?

After all most of these ideas were created in the gamejam week and Bethesda mentioned that one way or another we'd end up with some of the results of that weekend in DLC. When people question they shouldn't be told to sit tight and wait for the final product before they can judge it, judging a movie by it's trailer seems to be the norm so why not videogames?

Hell even with leaked information we can't make even make well developed arguments?

Edit: Porphyric Hemophilia was the disease that was also caught in Morrowind, the clans varied widely by abilities and powers in that game so best guess is that the Vampires disease is not unique, just the Vampire that passes it on must also pass on some traits.

Just saying but the differance im not seeing people mention is that the strains in morrowind and oblivion cause sun damage while the strain in skyrim only reduces stats instead of killing your character probably nothing important but just thought i would mention it.

Porphyric Hemophillia seems to produce the vampires of Vvardenfell and Cyrodill but both (even though there is multiple clans in Vvardenfell) are very different vampires.

My opinion on this matter is that the disease was renamed and the sun damage instead was replaced with a weakening effect because of player response in Oblivion, I had many a friend either delete or remove a character because they had contacted Vampirism, same problem happened with Skyrim, remember when people hit stage four of vampirism?

Characters were either deleted or they had to replay hours of saves because they didn't even know they were a Vampire.

That seems a tad bit...over-reacting they did give the quest's that removes the vamprisim. well either way the vampires in the dlc could be a hidden newer strain, possed daedra confused about the meaning of life, or just regular lore twisted vampires i really don't know anymore then the next guy. My original thought was they were the ideal masters untill i remebered their not gems, while i do agree the sun damage was annoying but the reactions from npc's when you tried to talk to them while stage four was pretty funny.

I play a pure mage and love the killcams. Love the archer killcams also. I've only has one maybe two misses in tons of gameplay since they were out and I edited theinit for them to pretty much always happen, I'll continue to look at it the first way and be grateful.

I'ma say my opinion on this matter now, finally...

I personally believe the Cyrodiilic Vampire is the most common vampire as well as the most basic. They would be found everywhere, not just Cyrodiil, and have the basic stats that most Other Vampires have. The Vampires in Vvardenfell (Quarra, Berne, and Aundae) all share the basic stats of a Cyrodiilic Vampire but they have added on extras. Same thing with the Vampire Clans in High Rock and Hammerfall.. Each clan has basic stats but also an extra stat that goes with their clan... Cyrodiil itself doesn't have any clans, or at least not major ones, so the Cyrodiilic Vampires mainly rule that area. The Volkihar Vampires are an extremely powerful Vampire Clan within Skyrim but the most powerful ones, as well as the Main Castle itself, is hidden and not shown.. Not until Dawnguard comes out. The current Volkihar Vampires in Skyrim that we've seen are just weaker versions of the real ones that only has the basic Cyrodiilic Stats.. FYI: They just 'started' and hadn't grown enough to earn the Main Volkihar Abilities...

That is how I truly look at it. My last post was mainly randomness cause I posted it at like 1AM in the morning..

As of Oblivion vampire lore was mostly consistent, it's only when Skyrims are introduced it causes problems. My only gripe with the Cyrodil vampire being the base form is that they had done dealings with Clavicus Vile to look "Normal" in comparison to the other vamps.

The Daggerfall vampires were able to blend into society via hooded cloaks, yet they still looked very much like an undead up close. A person who is infected dies and is resurrected as a vampire, but in their new form they don't look remotely like their human form.

Morrowind vampires were walking abominations with only like 2 groups able to actually talk and deal with you on a night to night basis.

Hopefully there is some sort of explanation to the whole "Volkihar" labelling that makes at least decent sense.

My guess is those "Volkihar" are newbies and not accepted in the main group... Yet.. Which is what I said.. That is possible, right?

Says who? Immortal Blood? Mayhap it's the Vampire's deep dark secret that all Vampires can do that. And how best to get word around than to have a vampire claim that only one breed of Vampire can?

We have no reason to trust anything Immortal Blood says. Refer to my signature.

Well spoken. Everyone forgets that written lore is written by people not Gods, and is therefore subject to be incomplete, incorrect, biased or deceptive. There is no peer review in Tamriel, or book police to go around and check facts. Anyone with an inkwell and paper can write a book about whatever they want.

Besides, ONE book without corroborating evidence does not usualy count as 100% solid facts. If you used only one source in an essay ect. you would likely get very low marks.

I personally believe the blending thing is prolly a basic thing that weaker vampires will use due to them being weak, and all.. The more stronger one will be all "I'ma kill everybody that dare to attack!" than "I'ma coward behind my false face so no one attacks me!"

Lore problem ? What lore problem ? It is easy to make all Dawnguard's stuff fit into the lore - The lore is false ! Just like Alduin=Akatosh theory in previous TES.

And for thoose who have problems with "Dawnguards were never mentioned before ! (rage) It's aginst the lore !" TKotN also were never mentioned before their first appearence. The books about Dawnguard and Volkihair will magcaly appear in Skyrim after DLC was installed.

its a flaming horse from the soul cairn, you get the ability to summon one. youve all been happy enough summoning flaming atronachs from oblivion but your moaning about a flaming horse. and lore reasons why weve never heard of one befor is i dare say not many people go to the soul cairn and return..

is it confirmed there volkihar. theres a book i think its called "vampires of illiac bay". that says theres around a 100 type of vampires in tamriel. so immortal blood covers what 9 i think of the different types. whos to say that 1 of the 100 types in "vampires of illiac bay" cant live in a castle, have the ability to transform into bats or if you become powerful enough transform into a vamp lord.

I think The Knights of the Nine was mentioned before their DLC due to their Hero being very important in the history, and all... I also heard of Dawnguard before but as a town, not a group of people.

I took a look and found that whilst Pelinal is mentioned previously, the Knights are not, as far as I can tell. But then, all Oblivion DLC just kind of dropped into the world as if it had always been there (The Orrery being the exception in that it was already there)

There's a book about Pelinal Whitestrake or whatever he's called before the DLC came out. I can't recall what it was called, but it was definately there.

There is a difference between adding and changing