How is dawnguard going to intergrate with current TES lore a : V - Skyrim

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:51 pm

Says who? Immortal Blood? Mayhap it's the Vampire's deep dark secret that all Vampires can do that. And how best to get word around than to have a vampire claim that only one breed of Vampire can?

We have no reason to trust anything Immortal Blood says. Refer to my signature.

No, Manifesto Vampyrum says it. You think we have lore only based on Immortal Blood? Do your research. The official tenets of the Cyrodiilic vampires says their ability to blend in the way that they do is unique.

Well spoken. Everyone forgets that written lore is written by people not Gods, and is therefore subject to be incomplete, incorrect, biased or deceptive. There is no peer review in Tamriel, or book police to go around and check facts. Anyone with an inkwell and paper can write a book about whatever they want.

Besides, ONE book without corroborating evidence does not usualy count as 100% solid facts. If you used only one source in an essay ect. you would likely get very low marks.

Cyrodiilic Vampires are the only ones suppose to not only blend in, but infiltrate mortal society!

From Morrowind:

Imperial culture[/u] regards blood vampires as destructive monsters to be hunted and destroyed. However, romantic notions of noble, virtuous vampires persist in Imperial traditions, and vampires are thought to pass unrecognized in the Mages Guild and the Imperial aristocracy."

Make not of the "Imperial aristocracy". Vampires like Janus Hassildor, Jakben Earl of Imbel, Lord Lovidicus, Seridur all fit this description.

Here is another one from Morrowind. Shows that vampires in Morrowind cannot blend in.

"They say a vampire can hide among us? Nonsense. One look at the face, and you know a vampire. You can't disguise that. You can wear a helmet. But here in Morrowind, we don't trust anyone who won't take off a helmet in public. In Morrowind, someone like that is looking to spend some time in a big, hot fire. Hmm, now that you mention it Telvannii guards never take off their helmets.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Manifesto_Cyrodiil_Vampyrum is another book that goes part with Immortal Blood.

"By the virtue of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Imperial structure and bureaucracy, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cyrodiil has become our stronghold in the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Third_Era, and we suffer no savage rivals within our boundaries, reveal ourselves to none, and manipulate the hand of society to mete out our agendas.Our bond with Vile makes us unique among our kind, for his guidance steels our savage craving with reason and savvy. For him we live amidst mankind, and twist them to our will from offices of power. Our Edicts: To preserve our ideals and way of life, two primary edicts shall be observed. Above all, reveal thyself and our Order to no other, for discretion is the greatest of our virtues. Do not feed where you may be found out, or on those who may not suspect your passing. Avoid daylight by lifestyle; dispel common belief in our kind, and maintain supple appearance through satisfaction of the thirst. Second, devote your pursuits to the procurement of influence, political and otherwise. Our strength is not in physical numbers, but in skillful manipulation of society. Always be mindful of our Patrons, and preserve the Order. Devote yourself to these ideals always, and the Order shall count you amongst our own.

Cyrodiilic vampires are unique. By Clavicus Vile, they can blend in society without any trouble.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:24 am

There's nothing unique or particularly high quality about ES vampire lore and therefore, nothing to ruin. It's already established that their nature varies by region and culture.

As for blocking out the sun, that's perfectly applicable to Magnus, so long as they don't do a major derp and refer to it as a ball of fiery gas.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:16 am

Yeah, there is good lore.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:27 am

There's one good book of stories, and then a bunch of inconsistent gameplay mechanics spread across four titles.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:41 am

As for blocking out the sun, that's perfectly applicable to Magnus, so long as they don't do a major derp and refer to it as a ball of fiery gas.

Haha, couldn't have said that better any other way.
In my point of view, they can do what they like with Vampires. The Vampire Lore isn't solid enough for people to say the new DLC is Lore breaking as such. As long as the "Blocking out the Sun" part isn't refuring the "Sun" as an actual Star, as in, like our Sun. I hope they make it so they fill in that Giant Magnus hole in the sky, or atleast put a sock in it.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:26 am

No, Manifesto Vampyrum says it. You think we have lore only based on Immortal Blood? Do your research. The official tenets of the Cyrodiilic vampires says their ability to blend in the way that they do is unique.

:rolleyes:

Cyrodiilic Vampires are the only ones suppose to not only blend in, but infiltrate mortal society!

From Morrowind:
Make not of the "Imperial aristocracy". Vampires like Janus Hassildor, Jakben Earl of Imbel, Lord Lovidicus, Seridur all fit this description.

Here is another one from Morrowind. Shows that vampires in Morrowind cannot blend in.

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http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Manifesto_Cyrodiil_Vampyrum is another book that goes part with Immortal Blood.

Cyrodiilic vampires are unique. By Clavicus Vile, they can blend in society without any trouble.

Do you have a reason why Cyrodiilic Vampires are so pervasive that they're in every continent and you can only be them (until this expansion?)

The answer is far more likely that the vampire book lied and that all vampires can blend. Morrowind vampires blend. Cyrodiil vampires blend. Skyrim vampires blend.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:47 am

I'd also like to note that in Morrowind you had different Vampires tribes you could join and ALL OF THEM BLENDED.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:24 am

Do you have a reason why Cyrodiilic Vampires are so pervasive that they're in every continent and you can only be them (until this expansion?)

The answer is far more likely that the vampire book lied and that all vampires can blend. Morrowind vampires blend. Cyrodiil vampires blend. Skyrim vampires blend.

You are kidding me? Right? Morrowind vampires cannot blend. You walk to a town and everyone knows you are a vampire. You are constantly being attacked by people, everywhere you go. Only some people will talk to you, like select guards and the Telvanni.

I'd also like to note that in Morrowind you had different Vampires tribes you could join and ALL OF THEM BLENDED.

Not true. Stop making up false claims. You can join the tribes, but they could NOT blend.

Edit: Here is a single video I found, out of MANY- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpzMo0VbRiw

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:32 pm

I stand corrected. It's been years since I played Morrowind last and I was Telvanni, so that likely made all the difference in the world.

Even still, Skyrim is not Cyrodiil.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:34 pm

Even still, Skyrim is not Cyrodiil.

Which brings us to the first stages of the debate. If the Cyrodiilic vampires are not in Skyrim, then why can they blend in, and why do they have a knack for feeding on sleeping people? I realize much of this will change, but the fact that Movarth Piquine, a character that was written in a "herp derp fictional" book called "Immortal Blood" who was bitten by a Cyrodiilic vampire, appears in Skyrim. This only raises questions and more arguments.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:54 am

You are kidding me? Right? Morrowind vampires cannot blend. You walk to a town and everyone knows you are a vampire. You are constantly being attacked by people, everywhere you go. Only some people will talk to you, like select guards and the Telvanni.

Not true. Stop making up false claims. You can join the tribes, but they could NOT blend.

Edit: Here is a single video I found, out of MANY- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpzMo0VbRiw

Yeah, you are absolutly right. Morrowind vampires cannont blend. If you are a vampire and try to talk to NPC's they tend to tell you to go away and refuse to speak to you.

I have to agree on the inconsistency of Skyrim's vanilla vampires; they seem to have the characteristics of Cyrodiilic vampires... yet the disease has a different name (could just be regional naming I guess).

One would assume Movarth Piquine is a Cyrodiilic vampire, even without 100% evidence the fact that Beth used this name implies he is the same person.

I will be interested however to see how Beth develop the Vokihar vampires. I realy do hope they give us some explanation.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:54 am

I think you guys need to remember that the idea of "Vampires Blending In" didn't came about until Oblivion... Morrowind and Daggerfall's vampires didn't blend in.. So.. The whole blending in thing could've started in the Vampiric Disease AFTER the events of Morrowind.. Which means, before so, no vampires could do it.. But I'm just rambling some random stuff cause I personally don't see anything wrong here, going by my own believes and what I've learn.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:03 pm

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