No offence to you.. But i need you to elaborate on this.
-excessing skyrim from a portal or such under the ice- I don't know what you mean. It doesn't sound fantastic. Nor does it explain why a dragon would fly through ice
- Having to do with shapeshifting.. again you will need to elaborate. I am sure that spliitng your mind into a hundred different smaller ones is extremely detrimental and dangerous to learn.
- Soul cairn vampire lord isn't the worst idea you have. It's alright and id let bethesda go on it.
- Dawnguard knowing the most about it? I doubt it. All they have to do is tell the other orders. Furthermore they are currently believed to be a new order and thus would probably be the weakest.

We don't. People are jumping to conclusions, and have no way of knowing what new lore will be added in Dawnguard.

Never really like the term cliche since one way or another everything is cliche. For instance the dwarves, or dwemer if you perfer, are always praised for being different than other representations of dwarves but are they really? They dig holes underground, are an old race, are technologically superior and are a dead, all of these I've seen protrayed before in dwarven races.

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1- doesn't need to be fantastic just praticial. The dragon is needed because unlike the volkain the dovakin would not now how to gain acess it. Think of a building under water or such. What I'm trying to say is that the volkaiin just are making the illusion they pop out of the ice.

2- I'm sure alot of magic is dangerous. Why make a cloak of fire appear around you. Who would have thought that a good idea to do in the first place. Why turn yourself into a lich, seems pretty drastic and dangerous. Plus the swarm may act more like a hive mind or such(one bat the mind the rest the body). As we know I truly can't say how they preform it and is all just speculation so you can take it how you want it.

3- Yeah pretty much what i'm thinking is accuring especially since the lord says feed on souls instead of blood or flesh in the trailer.

4- how do we truly know how old they are? Who is an older order in skyrim? I know stendarr was founded after oblivion and seem more focused on daedra anyway. As some have said they could be the order founded in oblivion just evolved after the 200 years of time that passed. The dawnguard could be just as seceretive as the volkain for all we know.

Yep, that would be the fastest way to kill any mystery surrounding the Dwemer. Some things are best kept in the dark.

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We know nothing that conflicts with established lore. You're worried about a flaming horse being unrealistic in a universe where we have lycanthropes, trolls and necromancy?

What if the Dawnguard is dedicated to Azura? They could be with a name like that. Azura V Molag Bal...

ok Bethesda created elder scrolls , they can put in anything they want .
there is no end to the history of Tamriel which means anything is possible

So, in a world where thousand year old dragons are brought back from the dead, people shoot magic from every orifice, adventurers and heroes regularly converse with gods, Emperors turn into flaming god-avatars, the dead walk the Earth, humanoid cat and lizard people are integrated into society, elves and men go to war, and the world is constantly threatened with complete annihilation, a flaming undead horse is a problem for you?

i dont get how people can complain about bethesda changing the lore that THEY CREATED. Obviously when arena came out they didn't know about all of the things they would add to future games so they had to create new lore. This is how lore is written.

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It looks tacky. I wonder, was the lead Art Director on vacation?

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In a sense, once it's been created it's no longer Bethesda's. If you write a story and then a follow up that fundamentally contradicts the latter and you don't acknowledge the conflict you're doing both a disservice and bastardizing your own work. That said, TES is now a humongous fictional universe which might prove too hard to manage and track down. Honestly, I think they need to put their time and energy somewhere else other than making sure everything is 100% coherent. A certain amount of minor discrepancies is tolerable. Besides that, in a mythological Universe, it is always possible to reconcile two contradictory facts. Always.

The Lore is actually only a brief account of certain events which take place in each year or age ,Bethesda's not going to put down every little tiny thing and thats becuase they give the player the option to create his own effect in Tamriel , and since there are many players around the world bethesda can't put down all our own individual actions ... when it comes down to the little things Bethesda can do whatever they want ..... if they create it , its in the Lore .

There are two lore inaccuracies with this DLC, as far as I am concerned:

-The volkihar tribe are not in the least bit civilised. They do not live in castles, they do not wear fancy cloaks.

Naming the vampire castle after such traditional vampires of Skyrim is not only insulting to them, but it's only befitting to the cyrodillic strain- The Order.

-Purple enflamed undead horses do not exist in lore, nor should they do. Shadowmere is the exception to the rule, not the exception that proves the rule.

Keep the Level 40 dreadsteed mount in World of Warcraft and not in my skyrim. Actually no wait, don't do that. Just simply throw it in the recycling bin.

Why? hell, because Blizzard is getting fat off all of those people purchasing 'epic mounts' from their website for ￡5.00 per mount, its.. it's just not healthy.

I'd thought that Bethesda focusing on vampirism for once would fix the volkihar problem, yet it seems they've just made it worse. *le sigh*

Not sure where the contradiction is exactly. If they had the ability to perform an ice shout then that statement is true. And how would the hunter know alot if they never venture out but to feed? He only had one encounter with them before returning to cyrodil if I remember.

As for the horse, you don't have to use it. Their were skeleton dogs in shivering isles so why can't someone make a skeleton horse.

It is the Soul Cairn. An undead horse makes sense to be in the game if its at another realm.

A book written by a vampire (Well known for deception and misdirection) is not necessarily a credible source =P
Written lore can be contradicted because of the fact that it is written by 'people' within the game. These people are not all knowing gods, so therefore they may have things wrong, or written from a biased point of view.

Think about the book that claimed Alduin was the same as akatosh. We all know now that this was simply a scholar's mistake.

Dragonchris, the information was procured or given to the vampiric hunter by a hinted member of The Order, the most civilised and knowledgeable of the vampires.
An ordinary vampire could not perform an ice shout without proper training from the Greybeards, like any person. And I get the feeling they'd be reluctant to that wish.

The 'skeleton dogs' of Shivering Isles were mended into being through the supposed fifth school of magic, flesh. I suspect by Relmyna Verenim's experiments.
As well, a flaming skeleton horse running through Skyrim would be one of the most obnoxious and noticeable features of the landscape, if I may say so myself.
If villagers don't come out of their houses and start chasing you with pitchforks, torches, as well as their hounds, I'd say it's Bethesda betraying their own lore.

Also: Shadowmere should not be mentioned in response to this. The horse's only oddity is it's eyes, but that could easily be explained away in an hostile encounter.
Taking an undead horse in tow is like summoning a bonewalker in a Morrowind funeral procession. People should resent you or otherwise not open their shops to you.

I think it will fit into the lore because Beth are just making stuff up and do not care. So it won't lol.

I do agree the horse seems way over the top...

I would expect the horse to garner the same reaction that running through town in werewolf form or a dragon attack would produce...

Ordinary folk should run screaming, and guards should attack on sight.

I hope the horse can only be ridden in Soul Cairn, it would look ridiculous in the main Skyrim world. I love the vampire lords though

Why are you taking a non-fiction novel that is probably only very loosely based on fact, most likely written to make money as a credible source on vampires? Did I miss a memo, or is it now OK to cite Eagle of the Ninth as a credible source on the Roman legion?

This is assuming we can permanently take the horse outside of whatever realm it's been dredged up from.

If so, then yeah, it should elicit a response like that from the guards, similar to illegal daedra summonings...

Immortal Blood is not fictional in the TES universe. http://uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Movarth_Piquine exists. http://uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Volkihar_Vampire#Volkihar_Vampire exist.

A writer does not annotate themselves as Anonymous when they wish to garner fame or fortune.
The book would more likely be a political maneuver so as to make people more aware of those vampires.
So as they could be hunted and in turn make the The Order more prevalent, as well as more powerful.

The Volkihar vampires in game don't act how they are described in the book though. Why? Because the author has used poetic license to make everything seem more interesting and sell more books. It makes sense to base the book on an actual figure as well, because then it seems more real for the audience and therefore exciting and scary.

I can't think of an explanation for why the author chose to remain anonymous. Who do you think the author was? My guess is an acquaintance of Movarth who thought he could make money from selling the story, but was afraid of Morvarth if the vampire had known he had written the book.

It could also be misdirection and deception on behalf of the writer. Obviously there is some truth in it, but because of the very fact it is written by an inhabitant of Nirn means that it is not 100% set in stone.

Thats the liberty Bethesda has when it comes to book-lore in the Elder Scrolls. The only thing 100% set is actual events of the game. and even then they can play around with it like they did with the whole dragon break incident of Daggerfall.

Scholars and authors of Nirn are not infallible. That is the thing to remeber.