If you can control time, you can control everything and do anything you want cause time effects every single little thing.

Would require to much effort to go into such detail to do anything. Else The scrolls would always be used to make a perfect world.

The only reason why the Elder Scrolls aren't used to make a perfect world is because they are almost IMPOSSIBLE to read and use... It took one guy over 10 years of constant studying to use one small Elder Scroll to remove a curse... Think about how long it would take just to be able to use a much more powerful Elder Scroll to reshape the world or something? Heck, to take out the sun would require hundreds, if not thousands, of years of studying and trying to figure out how it will work.. No wonder why they are having a Vampire Enemy doing this. And de' fact that whoever uses them goes blind doesn't help at all, making it even harder for one person to unlock the secrets.

Could it be possible that the vampires in Dawnguard are in a very advanced stage of vampirism? The book is hundreds of years old at this point.

While that horse does stand out, it can't be much worse then walking around in Daedric armor wielding the skull of corruption with a groaning zombie following you everywhere. The horse would just be the flaming purple icing on the demon cake. But it would make sense to have it provoke attacks from people like the Vigilants of Stendarr.

If I remember correctly, Immortal Blood was in TES; Oblivion. So the book would be at least 200 years old. If the the vampires in Dawnguard are the Volkihar then they have had an unknown amount of time to grow from barbarians never venture out but to feed to a highly civilized group looking to take advantage of all the turbulence in Skyrim to gain power. Seeing how other races and faction have changed like the Snowelves, Dwemer, Thalmor, and even the gods, I don’t see how this is lore braking.

All of this is speculation, you are essentially complaining over something that may or may not be true. Why don't you wait until the DLC is released before you fill up with forums with these spammy complaint topics.

Thats what i said...

Glad you agree , but there are always those malcontents out there....I mean Bethesda doesn't have to make any DLC....

You people are so optimistic or blind that it's borderline disgusting.


There is an aricle and a lenghly trailer. That's enough for any person of any Iq to have some understanding of what it's going to be. Furthermore these threads are for bethesda to read so that they do remember to patch all the holes in their story up. Not because people purely want to bash bethesda

So whats going on???!!! OHHHH bethesda is becoming EA and selling out it's lore and all sorts of Mumbo bad stuff just to make money??!!! Except that Bethesda is Adding free features to the game...

I've read the details and I actually am really looking forward to the DLC as I really don't care about the integrity of the lore; the way I see it is that it's their game and they can do what they want with it. Ill admit id be pissed if they added guns or anything excessive like that but what you are doing is nitpicking; I understand that you want consistency from the devs in terms of lore but, you need to realize that most of the original lore writers are no longer with Bethesda. If they need to add new lore to keep the game fresh I'm all for it.....you come off as someone who is either a) way too attached to TES games or b )someone who doesn't like change.

Without beta testing them.
Ever played a pure mage? The magic kill cams are horrid. They miss constantly and often activate and FAIL to kill your enemy, leaving your squishy mage vulnerable for a good 3 seconds. The archer kill cams aren't much better.

And I don't mean to sound ungrateful, but one could look at this two ways. One is to call it free content, the other is to say "hey look, Bethesda is shoe-horning in stuff that people made during that one week even though their creation has JACK [censored] to do with the Elder Scrolls series. It's probably because it's cheaper to use existing resources (no matter what they are and how much they stand out) than to pay the devs to make new, more fitting features."

I beg to differ on beths level of creativity.

RE the book: there are 200+ year old 'factual' books about vampires, witches and all sorts IRL. Would you take everything you read in them as gospel? Only if you didn't know any better.

So why, in a game that tries it's utmost to reflect a living, breathing world, should we think that a 200+ year old book is, or even was, accurate.

I think this level of complaint is less about breaking lore, and more about changing the standard. Quite frankly, new discoveries are made in the real world all the time, and our knowledge expands with that. Fictional lore only differs in that rather than being discovered, these discoveries are generated by writers. There's no actual rule that says ghost-flaming-horse thing can't be in The Elder Scrolls. How is it any different from a Familiar (Specifically the flaming familiar)? How is a Vampire Lord really any different than a Vampire, except that it just hasn't been mentioned yet?

I suggest you read Daroska and Werewolf&Vampires posts, not only are they informative but they're accurate on existing lore in comparison with the GI leaks. Are people no longer allowed to form an opinion based on a trailer any more? What about information that's leaked about said game? You can't judge the DLC until you've bought it?

Arguing semantics is often a pointless endeavour.

I never said that pointing out errors is necessarily wrong, I just don't think that the timing of doing so before the DLC release is even worth the time. We don't know what is in the DLC other than a few tentative details from a leaked gameinformer issue. Without any knowledge of the lore behind the DLC people are just getting themselves worked up/worried over what might or might not be in it. I think that everyone should just relax and wait until the release, then make constructive criticism based off of the commercial release.

Ok Bieltan, look at this from their perspective.

"Ok, it's time to create the Volkihar, after all it is Skyrim."
"Should we follow the lore-based facts we already provided about them in Oblivion?"
"What? Are you mad?? That'd make ZERO SENSE AT ALL!!"
"....wat? How so? This is how we said they would be."
"Yeah but it's been 200 years! Obviously that would mean they should be COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Look at how much our orcs evolved in 200 years! Look at how much our Argonians evolved in 200 years!"
"....Not at all?"
"SILENCE!!!!!!"
"....So what are you suggesting? How should we make them?"
"EXACTLY like the Cyrodiil strain."
"...One, that makes less sense and two isn't that just an excuse to use less resources and copy-paste the existing vampires we have into our next game?"
"Well then what do YOU suggest, smart-guy?"
"Something new? Perhaps...something that follows the lore?"
"SOMETHING COMPLETELY NEW?!!"
"No, I mean something in lore that we haven't done be-"
"BRILLIANT! How about Vampires EXACTLY like in Underworld?"
".....WHY? That's a blatant rip-off of another series and we've left no indication for the Volkihar to be like that!"
"Isn't it obvious? All forms of vampires, if left to their own devices for over 200 years, evolve into stereotypical Underworld vampires. God, didn't you ever take biology in high school?"


Do you REALLY think that's how it went down? That they conciously decided it's illogical to make them like....yknow like they used to be?
I'm sorry, but that just makes zero [censored] sense. Stop making excuses for what's quite obviously a decision driven by profit.

Whatever happens, I predict schenanigans with time and that elder scroll.

Source for this? All of the books that we have, as far as I know, on the Elder Scrolls conclude that very little is known about them. In game they've been used to look backwards in time, send you-know-who forward in time, and to remove the curse of a Daedra. All of this was done by, we can assume, those who know very little of the scrolls. I'm sure that in the hands of the knowledgeable they could be used for something far greater such as, y'know, closing the sun. Unless you have a source to back up your claim.

All companies/humans are driven by profit, thats how the world works....you need to learn yourself some basic economics

Some, more than others. Tom Waits for example refuses to see his music used in any commercials, and he's an artist I have a lot of respect for.
But even if you were right, that is not an excuse. The mistakes of others do not justify one's own mistake. Or what, are we now moving the argument to "it's perfectly ok for Bethesda to sell out?" Really?

They aren't selling out as far as I'm concerned, Ill be enjoying Dawnguard when it releases whether or not there is some lore that is "incorrect" for the universe that they made...if you don't like what is in the DLC don't buy it....if you think they are selling out don't support them (however I feel that people will still buy the DLC just for the right to complain on these forums).

Incorrect. I'm not driven by profit at all. I just want to make people happy and share happiness with de' world!