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Exactly. No problems then on losing powers from feeding since theres no reason to, except fire damage, but thats been decreased, so theres not much reason to complain about it. I was explaining my opinion on the normal vamp strand as far as why they made it this way.

I completely disagree with this view (big shocker, I made a whole laundry list of changes to the system). Vampires and Werewolves should have penalties levied against them, but also great advantages to make those weaknesses more appealing. I don't see why you'd want to play as either of them if it wasn't really going to feel different. That's one of the major problems with all the races: There's very little differentiation between them. I don't think you should be completely hobbled if you want to be an Orc Mage or an Altmer wielding a war hammer, but it shouldn't just feel like a reskin.

As it stands, playing as vampires or werewolves doesn't really feel that different, when really they should. You don't feel like you're losing your humanity the more you feed with either creature, because you don't really change at all by indulging in these newfound powers and abilities. That's not how it should be. You should feel different the longer you've been a non-human. Whether that's because you consider yourself to be more monstrous, or something more than a human is up to you, but you shouldn't feel exactly the same as you do when you're a normal human being.

They feel waaaay different to me. One has a wide range of magic, and the other slice and dices with claws. Gameplay wise (Which is all I care about) They're different. You feel like ur losing ur humanity by svcking blood, and eating hearts to get more powerful as a WW. Actually, that answers the other persons problem. You can get stronger as a VL by biting people or getting kills with health drain. There. Done. She got what she wanted. And werewolves in Skyrim are different than others. Thats why they dont suffer from things like lunar transformations, they're more powerful, so thats why they dont get a negative while in human form.

Werewolves only feel different when transformed. They should have bonuses when in human form too. The various werewolves all exhibit heightened abilities in human form, specifically a heightened sense of smell.

Likewise, the Vampire Lord only gets stronger in its transformed state. Feeding as a human still makes you weaker. It doesn't make sense that they'd exhibit a backwards feeding mechanic in their normal state, growing weaker each time they feed, but a forward feeding mechanic that makes them grow progressively stronger when they feed in their transformed state. That contradiction is a huge game design flaw because it's inconsistent and completely nonsensical.

ONLY because the VLs in Skyrim are supposedly Volkihar but use the Cyrodiilic Vampires' exclusive feeding mechanic

A big middle finger to some of us.

Getting stronger in the transformed state should be enough for u. And as for human form, as a VL, dont feed. Then u get stronger. No need to feed anymore, then just pop on some fire resistant enchantments. Done. I hear what ur saying though. It doesnt make sense for u to lose your abilities after feeding. At least not in a video game, where there's no real mortal danger to not feeding. Especially since level 4 doesnt cause hostility anymore, but the VL form is so powerful, and the Werewolf too, I dont really see why it matters anymore. You feed while fighting in VL form if you bite them and get stronger plus kills with vampiric drain, and werewolves get stronger and pown everything after feeding on hearts and leveling up. That should be enough. I've never heard of a vampire gaining powers or strength from feeding on blood anyway. They just do it for food. Granted, I've also never heard of them getting weaker, but whatevs. Vulnerable after feeding for a while, but not losing powers or strength for long periods of time. But who whatever. You have Vampire Lord form. More than enough.

They do get weaker in a way. In a drunk-like state. The main character Aidan and his vampiric lover, Suran, seem to get woozy after they had their fill of blood. If they don't drink, they grow more and more hostile and blood-thirsty as a blood-starved vampire and they can't think straight and they gradually get more pale.

They do get weaker in a way. In a drunk-like state. The main character Aidan and his vampiric lover, Suran, seem to get woozy after they had their fill of blood. If they don't drink, they grow more and more hostile and blood-thirsty as a blood-starved vampire and they can't think straight and they gradually get more pale.

I wonder what the explanation is for them feeding on each other...i mean it seems to sate their hunger in which case why do they bother to kill people eh?

I think its just an excuse to see some hot vamp six with lots of blood all over 'em. Wouldn't mind letting Serana bite me, except she's not a vamp for me anymore. Oh well, she can still bite me, lolz.

You have to listen to her whine about her dad for 2 straight hours 1st...good luck with that

Bethesda did it again. In Oblivion, we never had the option to feed on other vampires. I have no clue as to why we can't do it now. Lorewise, vampire blood is suppose to be cold and dead, not warm as mortals, so I don't think any vampire would want to drink the blood of another vampire.

I've done it three times already. Doesnt bother me. I like her dialogue. Probably the eyes hypnotizing me.

No not in TES, i was talking about Being Human

Doh.

Eh, I suppose human blood is always better. I don't even remember the vampired feeding off each other in the show, just makeout sessions in an orgy while drenched in blood.

The main dude, forgot his name...Aiden? Said that vamp blood doesnt taste as good, but the redhead tasted him and said it tasted good, then they...ate eachother while making sweet passionate necrophiliac vampire love.

Yeah, Aiden. Thanks for the response, I must rewatch the seasons. Redhead, I'm sure you mean season 1.

Transformation for both vampires and werewolves are currently useless. They are only effective in open areas, they are weak, their abilities don't scale. My regular character is much, much, much more powerful than either one of those fully perked out. Vampires still svck because of backwards feeding and useless spells. Werewolves have nothing that affects regular player form which makes them pretty much useless.

Yeah the hot chick he turns and then...well i guess you know how the season ends...too bad about that

The VL form doesnt have to scale because it's abilities affect everything regardless of level. It gets stronger because of the player's health/stamina/magicka meters and never loses it's effectiveness

The raise dead spell?

I am pretty sure the "dead" thing's magic resistance is taken into account just as it is when you play in human form. But otherwise seeing as you can raise giants as the VL it seems to work just fine at high levels

You can raise giants but not a master vampire? Magic resistance shouldn't completely negate the spell all the time.

Bethesda should really implement the ideas from the op.

At high levels Vamps have massive resistance to most things anyways (At level 80 most mages are immune to those spells) but as it stands anything you can raise in human form can be raised in VL form