An Idea of how Vampires and Werewolves Could Have Been Done : V - Skyrim

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:06 am

At high levels Vamps have massive resistance to most things anyways (At level 80 most mages are immune to those spells) but as it stands anything you can raise in human form can be raised in VL form

Highest raise dead spell for a human is dead thrall, and that only works on level 40 or lower humans.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:51 am

Highest raise dead spell for a human is dead thrall, and that only works on level 40 or lower humans.

Also take into account the Necromage perk...which would make raising Vamps easier. But last i checked on my Necromancer i couldnt Dead Thrall a Volkihar Master Vamp...so that could be something. Also a problem can be that you cant dual-cast in VL form

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:44 am

Also take into account the Necromage perk...which would make raising Vamps easier. But last i checked on my Necromancer i couldnt Dead Thrall a Volkihar Master Vamp...so that could be something. Also a problem can be that you cant dual-cast in VL form

But even if you could dual cast in VL form it wouldn't do anything since dual casting conjuration only makes it last longer, not increase the level.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:17 am

But even if you could dual cast in VL form it wouldn't do anything since dual casting conjuration only makes it last longer, not increase the level.

Well i am out of ideas...but the VL's raise dead spell is supposed to be as strong as any regular raise dead spell UNDER Thrall

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:12 am

Transformation for both vampires and werewolves are currently useless. They are only effective in open areas, they are weak, their abilities don't scale. My regular character is much, much, much more powerful than either one of those fully perked out. Vampires still svck because of backwards feeding and useless spells. Werewolves have nothing that affects regular player form which makes them pretty much useless.

If u think they're useless, u clearly havent used them very much. VL is very powerful, and WW's? I kill legendary dragon on master as a werewolf. That doesnt sound useless to me.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:12 am

If u think they're useless, u clearly havent used them very much. VL is very powerful, and WW's? I kill legendary dragon on master as a werewolf. That doesnt sound useless to me.

I've used them both. They are both useless compared to my normal character. They're fun to play as when you just want to run around and kill stuff, but other than that their usefulness is extremely limited.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:03 pm

I've used them both. They are both useless compared to my normal character.

Ur bad then.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:11 am

Ur bad then.

I agree, i went through the MQ (Dragonborn MQ) as a VL using the Form in every possible situation and the dragons, draugr, thalmor...everything, none of them stood a chance

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:47 am

Ur bad then.

No, my normal character is just a lot stronger, and can do many more things, such as move through dungeons with ease. Werewolves and VLs were just put in to have a fun time when doing quests and adventuring got boring. Their usefulness is negligible compared to the normal character. Werewolves don't even have anything that affects normal form. At least vampires have the sneak, frost, and illusion bonuses. Though, werewolves also don't have drawbacks, but that doesn't make up for anything.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:10 am

I agree, i went through the MQ (Dragonborn MQ) as a VL using the Form in every possible situation and the dragons, draugr, thalmor...everything, none of them stood a chance

Same for werewolf. I dont like vamps, but I'll give 'em their props as well. They're really powerful with my side character, Nord mage.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:28 am

I agree, i went through the MQ (Dragonborn MQ) as a VL using the Form in every possible situation and the dragons, draugr, thalmor...everything, none of them stood a chance

None of them stood a chance against my normal character either.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:20 am

No, my normal character is just a lot stronger, and can do many more things, such as move through dungeons with ease. Werewolves and VLs were just put in to have a fun time when doing quests and adventuring got boring. Their usefulness is negligible compared to the normal character. Werewolves don't even have anything that affects normal form. At least vampires have the sneak, frost, and illusion bonuses. Though, werewolves also don't have drawbacks, but that doesn't make up for anything.

100 percent immune to disease. And at a certain level, of course your character will be more useful with shouts n' [censored], but the VL and WW are very powerful as well, doing things your normal character never could. It adds a very powerful side option to u whenever u want. Example. I get ganged by a bunch of forsworn. I can either kill em normally with sword and shield, which takes a while on master, or go werewolf, and wipe em out in 1/4th the time.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:44 am

None of them stood a chance against my normal character either.

None of em stood a chance against ANY of my characters. Especially in WW form.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:13 am

100 percent immune to disease. And at a certain level, of course your character will be more useful with shouts n' [censored], but the VL and WW are very powerful as well, doing things your normal character never could. It adds a very powerful side option to u whenever u want. Example. I get ganged by a bunch of forsworn. I can either kill em normally with sword and shield, which takes a while on master, or go werewolf, and wipe em out in 1/4th the time.

I forgot about the disease immunity. That's my mistake. I'm not saying they're not powerful. I know they are, because I've used them. I'm saying they aren't nearly as useful as the normal character, who can also become powerful, as well as do many things WWs and VLs can not. I wish Bethesda would've made them to more useful. The VL can't go through most areas due to it's size and other hindrances, and the same goes for the WW. That makes them useful in very limited situations.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:36 am

I forgot about the disease immunity. That's my mistake. I'm not saying they're not powerful. I know they are, because I've used them. I'm saying they aren't nearly as useful as the normal character, who can also become powerful, as well as do many things WWs and VLs can not.

True

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:49 pm

One thing I wish would be added is that WWs and VLs can not be damaged while transforming. That would make transforming more viable if you get attacked unexpectedly.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:47 pm

Gotta watch the show. They usually drink too much, and r super slugish and vulnerable. Then the WW character on the show used this to his advantage and powned the Vamps. Poor exaple honestly. I was fishing a bit far out.

They do not get weaker by feeding, they get "drunk" and thus act like a drunk would. Blood is not needed in being human but it is extremely addictive for vampires.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:55 am

They do not get weaker by feeding, they get "drunk" and thus act like a drunk would. Blood is not needed in being human but it is extremely addictive for vampires.

Being drunk and barely being able to fight equals weaker to me. And they do still need to feed.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:02 am

Being drunk and barely being able to fight equals weaker to me. And they do still need to feed.

Wrong, being drunk does not necessarily mean weak, it means you lack proper coordination etc and no, they do not "need" blood, they crave it but they do not truly need it. To vampires, blood is just like alcohol, it gets you buzzed but it does not sustain you.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:19 am

Wrong, being drunk does not necessarily mean weak, it means you lack proper coordination etc and no, they do not "need" blood, they crave it but they do not truly need it. To vampires, blood is just like alcohol, it gets you buzzed but it does not sustain you.

Then why do they always talk about drinking blood to regain their strength n' [censored]? And if feeding causes u to lose coordination, and u cant fight as well anymore, that equals weak to me.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:38 pm

Nevermind. Answered my own question. They say it regains their strength because they dont suffer from the withdrawal symptoms of not feeding. Its not actually fatal though.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:45 pm

They are very addicted to the stuff and while they do need to feed on blood, they suffer eternal cravings and it is hard to resist blood. feeding does not make them physically weak in terms of strength or speed, just has the effect of being drunk.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:07 am

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Now he will feel guilty about ignoring our pleas and him and the Bethesda crew will appease the true fans!

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:07 am

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» Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:36 pm

hey vsions!!
read the OP 5 times,then strap todd howard to a chair and force him to read it for 24 hours so that he will know how to do vampires correctly!