An Idea of how Vampires and Werewolves Could Have Been Done : V - Skyrim

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:45 am

How can he be pure if he was born from union of mortal and vampire? He is half vampire.

He still contracted vampirism. He was half, but he still is proof vampires can have six and reproduce. His father got a woman pregnant. If his sixual functions work, then it can be the same for a female vampire. All they need to do is ask dear Molag for a ritual and then a baby vampire can be born. Not only Harkon and his blood-svcking baboons(Not Serana) can run around flaunting their purity.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:27 am

I know that as well and its a well known fact that i want to be a daughter of cold harbor :tongue:

I hope you like Whips and Pain because Bal runs a strict initiation ritual...

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:54 am

The order cannot "become" pure because they already have a progenitor ergo pureblooded vampire...I mean how else do you think that bloodline exists?

I am saying that bal cannot make pureblood order vampires since it was vile that made the vampires of cyrodil the order vampires he may be able to turn them into a pureblood of their original bloodline/clan before they went to vile. Since it was vile that changed the vampires of cyrodil to make them order vampires yes the first vampires who went to vile might be pureblooded but I am saying bal cannot create ORDER purebloods since the ability to blend in is from vile.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:48 am

You are not getting it, they already have a pure vampire, the order's progenitor.
Molag Bal turning someone is not in question.

All those turned BY the pure-blod are not pure because they were not born as a vamp, therefore they are Thin-bloods

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:26 am

I know that as well and its a well known fact that i want to be a daughter of cold harbor :tongue:

I see....well, i'm sure someone can convince bethesda to allow players to become vamps directly from mr. bal and start their own bloodline. XD

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:08 am

I am saying that bal cannot make pureblood order vampires since it was vile that made the vampires of cyrodil the order vampires he may be able to turn them into a pureblood of their original line bloodline/clan before they went to vile. Since it was vile that changed the vampires of cyrodil to make them order vampires yes the first vampires who went to vile might be pureblooded but I am saying bal cannot create ORDER purebloods since the ability to blend in is from vile.

Bal made all vamps, Vile just "blessed" the order with a special gift. Bal can still alter them as he sees fit because he is the creator of Vampirism

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:16 am

You can do that as a second gen vampire, you are superior to any later generation vampire. To be pure, you need to be turned by Molag Bal himself. Maybe one day there will be a new way to become vampire by being turned by Molag and starting your own bloodline.

In my opinion that shrine to Molag Bal in castle volkihar should have been used for the ritual to become a pure blood vamp and i think beth thought about it to but it was probably just cut like upgrading your castle and i rather be a daughter of cold harbor then just a second gen im all about being at the top and superior to all and not being pure just infuriates me.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:32 am

Bal made all vamps, Vile just "blessed" the order with a special gift. Bal can still alter them as he sees fit because he is the creator of Vampirism

Hmm bal might be able to do that heh maybe its just my hatred of vile talking right now. :biggrin:

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:46 am

I am saying that bal cannot make pureblood order vampires since it was vile that made the vampires of cyrodil the order vampires he may be able to turn them into a pureblood of their original bloodline/clan before they went to vile. Since it was vile that changed the vampires of cyrodil to make them order vampires yes the first vampires who went to vile might be pureblooded but I am saying bal cannot create ORDER purebloods since the ability to blend in is from vile.

He did not make them, vile just altered them, they always were called the same. the ability to blend in has nothing to do with blood purity.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:06 pm

I hope you like Whips and Pain because Bal runs a strict initiation ritual...

Oh im looking forward to it :bunny:

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:30 am

This is all good and creative and all. But, saying that Bethesda should take notes is kind of overstepping.

This is their game, their lore, and they can do what they want with it. And they do a fine job producing games and stories and lore that interests people. It's their job, their creation.

Your a fan, and what you think is important. But, there is a line. You can't go telling them what they should do with their creation. As if they did something wrong.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:42 am

I am saying that bal cannot make pureblood order vampires since it was vile that made the vampires of cyrodil the order vampires he may be able to turn them into a pureblood of their original bloodline/clan before they went to vile. Since it was vile that changed the vampires of cyrodil to make them order vampires yes the first vampires who went to vile might be pureblooded but I am saying bal cannot create ORDER purebloods since the ability to blend in is from vile.

He is still the father of vampires, he can still alter them if he wants to. What does blending in have to do with anything?

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:38 am

All those turned BY the pure-blod are not pure because they were not born as a vamp, therefore they are Thin-bloods

I am not saying that, I am the one who said those turned by pure bloods are are half-blooded (second gens). I think you're reading the wrong posts because I never said pure bloods can make pure-bloods.

Whoever Molag turns, is pure-blooded and then they have their own bloodline which gets diluted, Volkihars had harkon and his family as the progenitors, Order vampires have their own. As does every single clan out there.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:59 pm

I agree 100% though vampire lord should still be used no matter what but maybe it can be affected if starved. It is funny that you say it is outweighed by the pros, before dawnguard it was outweighed by the cons.

It still is. All Bethesda did was add a transformation. Transformations are very limited. Not much of a pro in my book.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:40 am

This is their game, their lore, and they can do what they want with it. As if they did something wrong.

By doing anything you mean butchering their already established lore? As IF they did something wrong? Sir, there IS something wrong.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:21 am

Bah forget it as I said it might just be my hatred of vile acting up again.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:16 am

This is all good and creative and all. But, saying that Bethesda should take notes is kind of overstepping.

This is their game, their lore, and they can do what they want with it. And they do a fine job producing games and stories and lore that interests people. It's their job, their creation.

Your a fan, and what you think is important. But, there is a line. You can't go telling them what they should do with their creation. As if they did something wrong.

The way vampirism is done in TES is trash and the OP proved by making this thread he would have done better and i have seen mods for both oblivion and skyrim that puts the actual stuff beth puts out to absolute shame and lets not forget that beth gets there idea's from modders anyway. And if it wasn't for modders skyrim might have been a copy and paste of obliviion.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:37 am

Bah forget it as I said it might just be my hatred of vile acting up again.

Stop hating on Vile! I still like Molag Bal better though. He's my favorite Daedric Prince.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:32 am

The way vampirism is done in TES is trahs and the OP proved by making this thread he would have done better and i have seen mods for both oblibion and skyrim that pyts the actual stuff beth puts out to absolute shame and lets not forget that beth gets there idea's from modders anyway. And if it wasn't for modders skyrim might have been a copy and paste of obliviion.

The vanilla vampires were in a way a copy and paste just with a different look and some slightly different abilities and no physical powers. so they were originally worse.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:38 am

Bah forget it as I said it might just be my hatred of vile acting up again.

Vile is the most entertaining Daedric Prince in Skyrim (Excluding Sheo of course). IDK who does his voice but they deserve to have their own talk show

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:55 pm

It still is. All Bethesda did was add a transformation. Transformations are very limited. Not much of a pro in my book.

They took out the constant attacks so that was a pro (a good one though but i would like random vampire hunter attacks)
And they reduced the fire damage.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:02 am

The vanilla vampires were in a way a copy and paste just with a different look and some slightly different abilities and no physical powers. so they were originally worse.

I was angry to find out the vamps were just copys of the oblivion vamps especially after hearing todd hype of vampire before skyrims release.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:05 pm

Vile is the most entertaining Daedric Prince in Skyrim (Excluding Sheo of course). IDK who does his voice but they deserve to have their own talk show

I personally find vile's voice annoying actually.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:38 am

They took out the constant attacks so that was a pro (a good one though but i would like random vampire hunter attacks)
And they reduced the fire damage.

I thought getting attacked at stage 4 was annoying and wanted it removed but eventually i adapted and it wasn't a problem anymore but now with dawnguard i find being a stage 4 vamp kinda boring now and i wanted to be attacked by people again

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:19 am

I was angry to find out the vamps were just copys of the oblivion vamps especially after hearing todd hype of vampire before skyrims release.

Yeah, I was pissed too because the first thing I did when I got skyrim was to find vampires and While I still became one, I felt cheated.
You know what is sadder? Apparently NPC vampires get the extra unarmed damage from something called "vampire touch" check the uesp skyrim:vampires.