Well, I am 65 years old and I played the heck out of Dragon Age origins, which I still play at times. (still have thee games going.) However, when Dragon Age 2 came out and I realized that I wasted $60 I was not pleased. And, I too have lost faith in EA/Bioware. So, let the criticism begin?!? Incidentally, my son I played Super Mario Brothers together a lot when he was little. It was the best time too.

Strangely enough, I was a bioware fan from Baldurs Gate all the way through to Dragons Age: Origins. I am no longer a Bioware fan because I did not like the direction they took with Dragons Age 2 or The Old Republic. I supported them and bought the games, gave them the benefit of the doubt and did not like what they produced. It has nothing to do with being immature, a company I liked to purchase from could no longer deliver what I wanted so I stopped purchasing their goods. It happens with everything in life.

Your Mario example is perfect. I loved super mario bros growing up, but didn't like the sequels, I simply stopped buying them. There was no temper tantrum or drama tirade, I simply made the logical choice of not supporting what doesn't cater to me.

I know where you are coming from.I don't like MMOs, but I'm going to give it a chance just because it's TES. If I don't like it then I'm going to forget it ever existed and stick to the the real Elder Scrolls.

SWTOR might not have killed Star Wars, and it won't kill Bioware.

But I think its fairly arguable that it killed the excellent KOTOR series of games for good.

My fear is that this new TES MMO will be hyped up, just as SWTOR was, and end up a piece of crap that people wasted their money on. My god I could see it coming with SWTOR, but nobody listened and thought the game was going to be something great. A friend of mine coughed up the cash for the game, he played it for a couple weeks and swore it was the greatest thing and tried to get me involved. He hasn't touched it in months. Anyways, if that happens, the future of TES is bleak (just as with KOTOR).

Its really interesting when you consider the vast amount of MMOs that have been created on the backs of really good IPs, only to turn belly-up and wash out. You can't rely on the IP to keep an MMO afloat, just look at LOTRO, Matrix, Star Trek, galaxies, and WAR.

Oh my, what are you doing here then? You should be working on a gamin company as an advisor due your great premonitory knowelge and taste...

And have whinning little maggots running around like morons, screaming non sense at each other. Have you played MMOs before. Most of the idiots on them you end up having to ignore all the stupidity and drama people like to cause because they are bored [censored] kids that mommy and daddy dont pay attention too anymore. I play MMOs, however in a way it is pointless because I end up soloing 99% of the time to stay away from the jagoffs. I can just see TES reduced to childish garbage in so many ways becoming an MMO that it isnt even funny.

Coming from you!?
For the longest while you was against Skyrim, talking down to it in every post.

This game will for a for a while why because if the ES nametag. Then it will tank because it will be just another me too WoW clone. Then they will try to slap some of the mess that is the ESO and put it in ES VI.
I remember when Todd Howard said there would never be an ES MMO, i remember I rolled.ny eyes and said yeah right.
There was one in the making when he said that, lol.
All MMOs are is glorified social sites you pay for.

Do you have a citation for this? I only remember him saying that MMOs weren't his thing personally, and that he'd continue to do 'single-player' - although even then he said they still wanted to implement co-op into TES. None of which is a lie because he's continuing to make SP games. In any event, he doesn't own the IP, so it wouldn't matter if he loved or hated MMOs - TESO would still exist. If he decided not to cooperate with ZOS it wouldn't mean TESO would disappear; instead, it'd just make it a poorer game for his lack of input. So however you look at it, Todd Howard isn't in the wrong.

Here's what I "personally" wouldn't be able to do in an MMO:

1. Play for free
2. Add mods to my liking
3. Not get killed fifty million times
4. I don't want to "spend real money" to upgrade my equipment just to win and stay alive.
5. Playing a video game is not about competition against another player for me. (At 65 years old I have been in competition with co-workers all of my life, trying to keep my job. I want to escape that reality.)

Nothing will be runied. As long as you don't buy it and support it that is.

1. Yea its an MMORPG with a subscription fee, that's how it works, and how we get continued 24/7 support, updates and continuous new content.
2. No mods, its an MMORPG not a single player game, Dev's do the "modding" regularly, see above.
3. You die lots in the single player game you just get to reload.......but maybe they will have a permadeath server so you can loose years of character progression and start over.
4. Spending real money for upgrades is the realm of Free to Play MMORPGs, hopefully this one will stick to subscription model.
5.This game IS about competition so im guessing this one wont be for you buddy im sorry.

Hear hear.

I've personally got 700hours on Skyrim and it isn't at all due to the vanilla game. I've changed almost every aspect of the game even the font and 'eye candy', combat overhauls and quest mods are the only reason I continue to play it. The game with no mods was... okay at best, WAY to buggy and far too easy.

As for the storyline? It was okay. Lacked any real depth or likable characters.
"You are the chosen one! Go kill the bad guy you saw at the start of the game." 'Ratchet and Clank' had a more immersive storyline. (I'm not sure why I used Ratchet and Clank as an example. Don't ask. )

I'm just saying, identifying patterns from the past and utilizing them for making decisions for the future is generally a good thing.

Unless this game is significantly different and better than the games I listed, it will fail. And there is a good chance it will ruin the rest of the series aswell.

+1

I'm long-time fan of the elder scrolls and i thought i may as well chuck in my two cents here, the elder scrolls was special for me because it was a game i could retreat to from world of warcraft, another game which i also like but for very different reasons.

Long story short, i think it's probably a good idea financially to make an MMO out of the Elder Scrolls, they have a huge audience that will try it out and i dare-say it will turn out to be more popular than many of the attempts so far by various companies to unseat Blizzard from their throne, but i won't be interested myself, because i am confident Blizzard will continue to provide the superior MMO experience.

It's sad for me, i played Elder Scrolls for the immersion, but it cannot retain that immersion if it goes online in my humble opinion, i've played wow long enough, i know the irreverent and mundane atmosphere that mmo inevitably brings, good luck to Bethesda, but i won't be joining them on their online journey, i don't believe they will offer me anything through the MMO genre that Blizzard won't do better, and the unmatched single player experience they used to offer, will no longer be available.

I have to admit I used to feel the same way as the OP. When I heard rumors however long ago that the next Elder Scrolls game would be an MMO, I was really disappointed. There are so many MMOs out there right now. It seems the fashionable thing to do to turn anything popular in entertainment into an MMO. It's gotten silly, really.

However if you do it right, an MMO can be an awesome new way to experience your favorite game/IP. Matt Firor did an amazing job making DAoC. That gives me confidence in his ability to put Elder Scrolls Online on the right track. The great things about an MMO is that it's never ending. It's a persistant world that's always having stuff added to it and you get to experience it with friends.

I think the game will be fine, and I'm looking forward to it.

Bethesda and its parent company, Zenimax are here to stay.

And quite easily, The Elder Scrolls are going no where.

I'm fairly certain that if Nintendo can survive all the mistakes they have made, and SquarEnix can survive Final Fantasy: Spirits Within and Final Fantasy XIV, I'm more than comfortable with the assumption that TES will be fine even if TESO flops.

So now people are complaining about the fact that "they will die a million times"... when I bet the same people were complaining about "skyrim is too easy even in master!"
So they are afraid that be in a MMO world, they will not be a GOD in the game... just another player... oh what a sorrow.
And I think the objective is to play with other people. I find sometimes too lonely in the SP games (That I love too).
I dont play MMO′s , but I will surely play an MMO in the world I love. And it IS more inmersive to die and go to revive somewhere, than die and pres "reload" button.

I find some people's lack of faith.... disturbing...

*force choke*

I was actually referring to those people who like to sit at spawn points and nail you as you spawn. One kid did that to me one too many times and got banned from the clan and the clan servers. Still, it is damn annoying.

I'm a bit hesitant about the idea too, it has potential, but it also has potential for great disaster. The very elements that make TES a great series will not be present in this. I'm also worried about the sort of new fans it will bring into the series. While new fans is generally good, bringing in people who learn of TES from a different genre will undoubtedly cause friction about what direction TES should move in in future releases. For example, making Call of Skyrim would bring in a bunch of hyper-competitive over-the-top and unnatural action oriented people who laugh at the idea of traditional RPGs and would want future TES [censored] geared more toward their wants which would likely be a starch difference to the wants of the original fans.

Well.. No.
There's a significant difference between being spawn camped by someone twice your level with no possibility of continued gameplay, and, being presented with a challenge that requires you to utilize strategy and mental dexterity in order overcome it. Like a puzzle.

One grants you a reward, is fun for all parties involved and gives you a sense of achievement.
The other only grants 1 player a reward at the expense of another's fun, presents no challenge to either player and is a direct exploit of the games mechanics.

As for just being "another player": You'd find most of the dislike toward Skyrim was the fact that you were praised like a god for being present when a dragon died and climbing a few steps. 5-6 objectives after the intro sequence and you were already the savior of man-kind.

Can't say i'm excited either, it doesn't even look like any TES games i've seen.

Without knowing any of the details of this game, I will still agree with the OP. I think this is the end of the TES series as I know it, but it has been so long since Arena first came out, so many changes in design and as gamers ourselves, it has run its course for me. I have gotten tons of enjoyment from this series and played games much longer than I probably should have. All things come to an end. ANYHOW, I will still probably try the game out but it will most likely be the last mmo (and possibly game of any kind) I will try.