I believe it had a good story (although Morrowind's was better admittedly, that's why I'll jump on it from time to time). However, you need to take the graphics out of the equation. They are solely good because of the today's technology, they were not implemented in expense of story, the story was simply worse that Morrowind's. The core story was imaginative, but I concede characters like Delphine were weak. What I was saying was that for any true gamer, graphics are not what's important (look at Minecraft's success!).

I think they should have done a main quest around dealing with the Thalmor, rather than putting it ominously in the shadows. I hope Dawnguard relates to this.

Also, I think the chronological time line is getting stale. This is why I am relieved that TESO is set in the past. It will neither damage the single player game, and it provides more diverse story opportunities in the different Tamriel culture.

So, my confusion here is this:

Why do so many people think that this game will "ruin" the TES series? This isn't TES 6. It's TESO. It's different.

If you don't like the concept of the TES universe in an MMO, that's fine, I can understand it. However, this game is not going to be replacing the numbered games in the series, so why is anyone worried about it? If you don't like it, don't play it. However, nothing is going to be taken away from "true" TES fans when this game comes out.

It's is an addition to the TES universe, not a subtraction from it. Why so much angst?

Think its just that massive negativity around most MMORPG titles. Whatever happens live continues.

Hmh, I just believe that it took a bit too much time to make these beautiful locations, which admittedlty were nice but the graphics did take a chunk of the development focus, if only with location design(which is also important, but there are other things as well) and they had to fit the game engine to the graphics, but let's leave that aside. And I agree, graphics aren't 'that' important, games can succeed easily with low graphics.

And I agree that Thalmor related main plot would've been more interesting.

Regarding time lines, I'm a bit torn on this. It's nice to see the past, but it's same with seeing progression, at least IMO. Both ways fine, I guess.

Partially, I understand them. Many gamers have fond memories of exploring Morrowind in all of its grand scope and attention to detail. I believe many players would prefer to individually explore each area in every following installment of the Elder Scrolls franchise with all attention focused on that particular country rather than seeing the generic/simplified version they're afraid to see in an MMO with only a few select cities and generic pastures and forests beyond that.

It is an addition to the franchise and its universe, but some are especially nervous that the simplification of a lesser dense world that MMOs are known for might misrepresent certain regions of Tamriel. We may not need to explore every single family burial tomb in Vvardenfell to get the full effect of Morrowind's style and particular "feel," but I don't think there's really any counter-argument to be made that spending four to five years on Skyrim alone and four to five years on all of Tamriel (or even just parts of it) will show a different result in quality for each respective territory (and Skyrim especially).

Not promoting that perspective as my own, necessarily; just throwing it out there. I am more the type to wait and see before jumping to conclusions either way.

I think that they are limiting the areas you can explore in each province, most likely with the express extent of making each environment unique and detailed, as apposed to copy and pasted green pastures.

So I've heard. I'm more the type to hold off and see what we get at E3 next month. It doesn't really do ourselves any good to jump to conclusions as to how detailed or well-represented Tamriel will be in an Elder Scrolls MMO. Stylized doesn't necessarily mean simplified. I was just playing devil's advocate, as that's often a complaint levied against MMOs I hear from gamers (who often have little experience playing them, themselves).

its not like I'm paying OR making the game

I will just sit back and enjoy the ride, if the game turns out good I will get it, if not I won't....

I lost nothing and neither will any of you guys so chill

I just am asking for a MMO that totally looks and feels like a TES game. I dont want something derivative

No we didn't.
Speak for yourself, not others.
And not, series also didn't need this at all.
It's not unwelcome, but it's not actually needed.

No, it's not.
That game is average - good at best.

You obviously didn't see a lot then.

Yes actually it was needed very badly. Tod has actually said in an interview for Skyrim that the two most asked for new features in the history of TES have been Online play and Dragons.

What's most asked for and what is needed aren't necessarily the same things.

It is when its the people who buy the game, support the game studio, and make the game as popular as it is today, when the lead guy say's its one of the most asked for feature ever in the series, it means something .

So all these people supposedly concerned about lore and retconning and all that crap all of a sudden just want dragons regardless if it makes sense? Hmm

I also fail to understand this.

No.

Dragons.

Co-Op is what's been asked a lot, not an MMO.
So no, it was not needed at all.

Gotta agree, online play =/= MMO.

Personally I've been waiting for an Elder scrolls MMO for years and hoping for it even before the rumours started (2007?). TES has such amazing lore that its just the obvious next step for the series and I for one cant wait!

Look back at other MMO's. Warcraft MMO killed off the lore and the strategy series. SWTOR, killed off one of the best Star wars RPG game series...

Pattern emerges where they stop making the single player game and purely focus on the MMO version.

Yeah, SWTOR killed 'one of the best Star Wars RPG series'...despite the fact that no new entry had been made into said RPG franchise for six years...and SWTOR has only been out for six months, which is not enough time to churn out another game...it's certainly damning

Also, how many other Star Wars RPG series do you know?

And WoW only killed the Warcraft franchise because Blizzard wanted to devote their time to the MMO, TESO is being made by a distinct developer to Bethesda, and so Bethesda will likely continue the single player aspect...

LMAO

I know right

any game that gives 900 hours of gameplay is a pretty frigging good game in my book

We can't really say whether or not it will ruin the franchise, the best advice I can give is to remain sceptical but hopeful.

I feel like you are all missing the point. So, let me try again just for kicks and giggles. I believe I stated at the beginning that if it weren't for the mods I would not have 900 hours of play time. As it is I have never finished the main quest line, because of it being utterly broke, in regards to "A Cornered Rat" quest. When it comes to gaming I have more than 900 hours in playing Dragon Age Origins --my all time favorite game-- and I have over 100 mods attached to that game still. So ends the the debate. Incidentally, I really do appreciate your feedback as well as respect your interpretation. Thank you.

This isn't going to kill TES by any means. Even if this game is a failure, Skyrim was so successful they'll still be in the black.

That said, the track record for Elder Scroll spinoffs is... not good.

I agree that TOS will probably damage the Elder Scrolls name, evidenced already by the devs complete lack of respect for the existing lore.

tl;dr - Your game is bad and you should feel bad. Zoidberg.jpg