Logical sense this does not make.

DA:O's expansion is what killed it for me - so much I can't even stand to play the regular game.

I know what you mean.

I am on my phone so I cannot post any links: also I am not really sure when exactly it was mentioned but it stick out in my mind because it was a yeah right moment for me. I know he does not own the brand, but its irritating when I felt like I was flat out lied to by anybody. Also I refuse to blindly defend anything that I do not like it I think is a waste such ad this an ES MMO WoW copycat and me too game.

Regardless anybody opinions on this entire matter this here is going to be the case, Whitby each iteration of The Elder Scrolls the franchise is gettin g more and more popular and Bethesda will churn out sequels because of that and they also have the income for the Fallout brand Bethesda will be around for some time with TES.

Some excellent points of view here. For my two pence worth (point of view... not a fact.) Zenimax and Bethesda are one and the same company, just a different arm. Zenimax looks after the online stuff. But if the proverbial hits the fan, then Bethesda will be impacted. Bioware are releasing staff and are very aware that SWTOR has not been the cash cow they had hoped. Subscriber levels have dropped dramatically. No game enthusiast should take pleasure from their struggles as it impacts the industry that we should all hope will remain vibrant and successful. Slavishly copying WOW has been a mistake, the mechanics and cartoony world of these generic MMOs are losing their appeal ( and subscribers) quickly. We can but hope that ESO will have something new and innovative but from first reports it does not look good. Developing ESO will take massive amounts of money, if it is not successful then Bethesda and future releases of TES will most definitely be affected.

The initial reports don't look good? One of the last two or three articles stated that they haven't talked about any of their advanced features yet. I guess this is the community that just jumps to conclusions about a game after the first screens are posted. Everyone was right about copying WoW combat. Everyone was spot on about them using HeroEngine.

to further strengthen what the OP is saying, the main want for an MMO was from console players thinking it would be a DLC for Skyrim and on a console, F2P.

They do not know anything about MMO's truly, so now they won't get ESO. Now with 90% of your estimated purchases gone the ESO project fails.
NO TO TESO!

Take another look at the post Varking, i stated that " From the first reports it does not look good." Not from the 'community' that jumps to conclusions- like you have just done. The reports I was refering to are press reports and online gaming review sites. These presumably were based on information released by Zenimax, as Paul Sage is their spokesperson (according to Zenimax themselves.) Google Elder scrolls online dissapointment which will give you the source of some of the reports. The concensus of which were that until further information was released this was another generic cash cow MMO. Personally I wish it the very best, I am a huge fan of TES and will be dissappointed if this does not succeed. However, neither my opinion nor yours will change the initial press reports.

Like I stated though, if you read some of those press reports and listen to the interviews they stated themselves that they have not told us any advanced features yet. The first news release was what? Two weeks ago? Of coarse they aren't going to spill the beans on all the cool stuff.

Yes. Exactly. They are destroying my childhood, bast*rds!!!
They should be well on the way with TES VI, not this sh*t! I only want to see the other provinces and quit playing, going back to Oblivion.

I think instead of MMO-ing an exclusively SINGLE PLAYER LOTS-OF-QUESTS-NEVER-BORING-ALWAYS-SOMETHING-TO-DO-EXPLORING-THE-WORLD series, they should create Oblivion 2, titled differently, ALL of Tamriel, Lots of quests also the best quests of TES 3,4,5) use Skyrim battle mechanics, throw away shouts, and redefine the inventory (awful throughout the series)

I played Skyrim for at least 600 hours and oblivion we wont even mention how many hours I have on that game and get this even though I OWN every single oblivion expansion I still havent even set foot in the isles let alone anywhere else so yeah TESO has the potential to be the halle frickin lujah ive been waiting for at least for me OR it could just be another flop ill play for a month then go back to EQ2 as usual

Personally Every tidbit of info im seeing released in the videos and interviews is exciting me more and more /shrug

No one is forcing you to play the game. It's weird how some video game fans are scared of change. Just ignore the game don't play it problem solved. I'm not interested in playing it really but you don't here me complaining because I don't care.

I never played an mmo like this before so it should be new for me. I just wont tell anybody in the real world that I play this extremely nerdy game.

'AND HROL DID LOVE UNTO A HILLOCK' ...

What makes a game good for me is mainly the combat, questline, and graphics (That may seem to be everything in a game but theres so much more). From what I've seen, the combat and graphics seem to be above the normal MMO and the questline (Of what I've read so far) sounds amazing. Back to the topic, I do not believe that ESO will "ruin" TES games, mostly because its being made by a different company. ESO may help Bethesda see if the multiplayer works well in ES games. If so, it may make Bethesda try to implement co-op into a future game and see how that works out, if not they probably won't. Overall I just see it as a building block to try to make the TES series better. To the few people worried about ESO exposing all the "uneplored" ares of Tamriel and ruining the game. Remember, that this game takes place atleast a thounsand years BEFORE Skyrim, so that probably means that most thing will be different. For example, the old run down forts such as Fort Dunstad or Fort Amol in Skyrim will probably be rebuilt and new since those buildings have been used "recently" at that time. I bet a few of the citys that we remember from past Elder Scrolls games won't be in there because the time period in ESO takes place before it was built. Overall, I see ESO as an attempt to advance TES series and only improve it. Though a future Elder Scrolls game may be horrible due to something that ESO players enjoyed but not the original ES fans (Not to make you guys worried), I'm positive Bethesda would not put it in the next game.

I just got done reading several articles about the problems Blizzard is having with their release of Diablo 3. I wonder if ZeniMax is prepared for all the problems it too will face; and how they will justify losing customers because of it? Here is just one example: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/30/NSSS1OP20Q.DTL

No different than playing Skyrim/Oblivion imo.

EA reported before launch that SWTOR only needed 500,000 subscribers to be profitable (the game had 1.7 mill and is now at 1.3 mill, which is better than most MMOs), so the game is performing well over what is needed. Many who actually play SWTOR realize the issue isn't because the game "copied" WoW, but rather it was not ready for release. All the standard features one expects to have in an MMO, like WoW, were missing and BioWare is desperately making a mad rush to implement content.

In regards to ESO, anyone who has followed an MMO in the past should be well aware that judging a game we know very little of is silly. We won't be able to criticize this game until we actually get hands-on and are beta testing it. For me though, the reason why this game is so appealing (obviously it's TES) is because of ZeniMax Online's determination to make a truly social game (which many MMOs seem to fall short on, older generation MMOs were better at this) and a gameplay based around tactics and not a key rotation and gear. Those two features alone are keeping my interests heavily. I could care less about the graphics and the stylistic art direction as any MMO vet knows such elements become irrelevant in the larger scheme of the game (look at WoW).

That being said, ESO is part of the TES franchise now. So as you stated, this game will impact the rest of the IP. Even if some TES fans aren't on board for this MMO, the last thing you want it to be is a failure, as it's uncertain what kind of repercussions could befall BGS in the fallout. ESO is off to a great start, considering it's based off a very large and popular gaming IP and has a 3-faction world pvp system many know and love.

I have to ask something real quick. Why isn't Zenimax Online showing the combat systems at this point? Of all the interviews I've seen, Matt or the interviewers have mentioned this part of the game but never shown it. Why exactly? Especially since journalists have supposedly played the game and said (http://kotaku.com/5918689/the-elder-scrolls-online-is-not-as-world-of-warcraft-as-you-might-fear)

"I walked over to play some, knowing that I'm not enough of an MMO gamer to assess with my own hands how similar or different the game is from World of Warcraft. I could just ferry the complaints and concerns of others. I also could, I learned, enjoy the real-time combat in this MMO, which does indeed help it feel more like an action-based game."

If people are asking so many questions about it, as clearly shown here, why not show us what the combat systems are like to answer some of those questions? Even in the Alpha stages, if it isn't Wow-like as Kotaku says (meh), then what reason is there for 'Tell, Don't Show' in these articles

I'm also wondering about the lack of news since E3. However, as I've already started a thread about it in which Gstaff nicely replied I won't make another. But I am wondering...