Er...I hate to tell you this...but theres actually no proof that Talos was a nord most references place his birth in High rock and his description of being as tall as a breton and aging as one kinda means he could've been a breton. He didn't even get the name Talos until after the battle of sancre tor where he somehow got the nords on his side and they gave him the name Talos.

I believe he's trying to reference the first empire. When Allessia and Co rose up against the Ayleids.

Known under the names Tiber Septim, General Talos, Hjalti Early-Beard, the Dragonborn, and Ysmir, Tiber Septim was an emperor of Nordic descent who became one of the most famed figures in Tamrielic history, reigning as Emperor Tiber Septim from 2E 854-3E 38.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tiber_Septim

Hmm maybe he was just raised outside of skyrim then.

I don't think so, I mean the Nord/Skyrim empire that briefly occupied Morrowind until 1E 401, at that point the Nords were actually trying to destroy the Alessian faith in High Rock.

I never said he was, mentioned him or suggested he was. I was addressing you saying that the Imperial Empire was founded by Tiber who was probably a Nord.

I don't think so, I mean the Nord/Skyrim empire that briefly occupied Morrowind until 1E 401, at that point the Nords were actually trying to destroy the Alessian faith in High Rock.

I never said he was, mentioned him or suggested he was. I was addressing you saying that the Imperial Empire was founded by Tiber who was probably a Nord.

He was born in Atmora under the name Talos, meaning Stormcrown in the old Ehlnofey.[2] He spent his youth in Skyrim, where he learned the ancient art of the Tongues as well as the strategies of war from the chieftains there.[2] At the age of 20, he led the invasion of Old Hrol'dan, taking it back from the Witchmen of High Rock.[2] Soon after, growing storms made it known that the Greybeards were about to speak.[2] As nearby villages were being evacuated, Talos traveled up the mountains the Greybeards called home, where they removed their gags and spoke his name, causing the World to shake.[2] The Greybeards told Talos that he would come to rule Tamriel, but he must go south to do so.[2]

Same link

One nation isn't an empire. Hence the confusion. Could've just said Skyrim you know. That's what they called it. Their defeat at red mountain didn't destroy their armies either.(Otherwise the way of the voice would never have come about as Jurgen would've been dead) They never lost any of their original territory from before their fight.(And have since then gained more territory making them greater than the original atmoran settlement.)

This. Also I found an interesting thing when playing Skyrim just now. Looks like the Empire isn't feeding its troops in Skyrim at all.

http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/540679055985794759/3DA3B1A6AFD430948F0AF8D54118C1D2FD18F551/

The Imperial Empire is crumblig, everyone knows that. Whether it is because of the Stormcloaks is up for debate.

Just because Jurgen survived doesn't neccesarily mean Skyrim still had armies, I wasn't sure if the country was actually called Skyrim, and assumed it was an empire as it had lands under it's rule in High Rock and Morrowind.

The fact they didn't lose territory was more because the Dwemer had dissapeared and Nerevar was assasinated, destroying their war effort.

Consider that the only time Skyrim was successfully invaded, it was done by the Nords themselves.



Prove it.

I'm guessing you conveniently forgot the start of the game, when the legion was poised to lop off Ulfric's head and put an end to the Stormcloaks. You know, had Alduin not interfered.


Read the link you provided again, specifically the Heresy part. Tiber Septim's origins are not conclusively known. I also refer you to this http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Shezarrine. Particularly the part in dealing with the possibility of Tiber Septim being a Shezarrine.

I'd say that the Battle of Red Mountain had some pretty extraordinary factors that played out in the Nords favour. And the Falmer didn't exactly try to repel the Nords before they started getting slaughtered.

That wasn't because of won battles. They didn't storm Windhelm and march into Ulfric's keep and take him prisoner. They ambushed him. They got lucky. Not quite the same thing, my friend.


I've heard all of the rumors and so forth. There're a lot of rumors about a lot of things, like Ulfric being a racist - but we don't see any proof of that anywhere, either.





http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Night_of_Tears

Ahh, yes. Luck. It must have been that, not military acumen.

It has nothing to do with trained soldiers. They caught Ulfric in the open field.

Then maybe Ulfric shouldn't have been in an open field without an army at his back. That is the mark of an irresponsible Commander.
The Atmorans had been immigrating for years, they were already in the country, far different to invading it from offshore or through mountain ranges. The Falmer had already let them in and they started a country within their country (kind of like the Dunmer in Windhelm on a larger scale, if they decided to take Winterfell they would have a better chance as it is rather than trying to take it from outside).

I bet Hannibal would have found his campaigns easier if his armies were already in Italy.

I agree. I remember something vague about spies fumbling some reports that lead to the trap, but I don't remember enough of it to stand firm and announce it as truth. It'd be cool if someone could find an article or something.


What? Almost all of the Atmorrans in Skyrim were dead, dude.

So it would not be sound strategy to catch the opposing leader in the open field, resulting in far less lives lost, than besieging them at a rather defensible position (which lets face it, Windhelm would be a seriously difficult city to take traditionally)?


The only thing I recall is Ralof muttering "Damn elves, they probably had something to do with this." Which seems unlikely, given their stance on the civil war (Thalmor).

They were still there though. Enough to interrupt supply lines and enact guerrilla warfare.

It is still a massive advantage, and I am sure that had the Dwemer/Dunmer been in the same position after Red Mountain they would have conquered Skyrim.

From my point of view the Imperials didn't expect him there, otherwise that caravan would have been more heavily guarded and they would have taken him to Solitude.

So a handful of fresh Nord settlers were enough to plague Elves who were on par with the Summerset Isles?

Looks like the Dominion is doomed.

Not neccesarily fresh, they had been immigrating for a fair amount of time. Long enough to establish a city, there would have been enough to field an army of respectable size, more than 500 most likely.

This could also be a testament to the Falmer being a stagnant culture with little to no military, full of philosphers and Alchemists and no actual battle mages . Enough to slaughter Nords in a surprise attack but not enough to wage war and the Atmoran Nords being a hard race who had lived in a dying nation of political intrigue and a coming winter (sound familiar? ) with hard folk with hard lives, as opposed to the poorly equipped modern Nords trying to invade the island fortress of Alinor and it's army while depleted still contains veterans who defeated the Imperial Legion.



btw, wasn't the last thread of this pretty much the same people arguing ?

My thoughts regarding Ysgramor and his 500 companions run along a similar line. Like all legends/fables, they tend to become exaggerated or outlandish over time. It may have been that Ysgramor commanded a much larger army specifically, or that his 500 companions were an elite fighting force part of a larger army themselves. The Falmer would have had to have been considerably over-confident to actually lose to 501 warriors.

You're using a lot of conjecture to try to avoid what's told to us plainly in the game. Their society was on par with Summerset Isles.

What is society, exactly?

"a community, nation, or broad grouping of people having common traditions, institutions, and collective activities and interests"

Essentially they had the same interests as Summerset, military, art, magical, etc.

T
he Falmer armies hadn't fought in a war since ............. ever as Tamriel was at peace, the Altmer have just won a massive war against a huge adversary.