Ok ok all the bretons, imperials and nords came from Atmora, sorry I forgot about the redguards x.x I'm really tired and yes there were humans in akavir but they are long dead, eaten by those snake people who took their form after causing the race to go into extinction.

Would recommend looking up "Yokuda".

They are immigrants from the sunken island of Yokuda. Similar to the Nords in their story of how they came to Tamriel.

well somewhat sunken, its believed that a few redguards remained and are using the peaks of various mountains as islands to build port side towns and mines into said mountains, supposedly according to an NPC in oblivion ships from Yokuda arrive in anvil every so often.

I'm almost 100% sure that there are no Human Akaviri races.

though Redguards definitely aren't Atmorran, so they stand apart.

Oh, OK. Learn something new everyday.

There are. They invaded Tamriel after purging dragons from their homeland, though I don't think they're still around. They were the basis for the Dragonguard, which eventually turned into the Blades.

I think they were intergrated into Tsacei society through interbreeding (or exterminated by them)

Well I tried finding wiki articles for them and I found nothing other than the Taesci eating a bunch of humans. Maybe Bethesda chose not to write a great deal on them? I dunno.

The extinct(?) race aside, it looks like Redguards are the only Humans that didn't come from Nords.

Maybe, but the Medes neither have dragon blood nor the Alessian pact with Akatosh. Their use of the dragon is only for show.

That sounds very foolish. The Stormcloaks don't intend to just let the Dominion walk all over everyone else.

I side with the storm cloaks more often then not
1) imperials tried to cut off my head, sure you can blame it on one officer
but how many imperials were their? Even general Tulis was present only one guy gave a [censored]
and he was still like oh well whatever. To block

2) the empire is an empire they have no right to rule a foreign land it's clearly not good for the nords
What with them being carted off by thalmor for worshipping their god (like or not the empire allows this)

3) The empire just smack me as elitist I know many people would shake there head at this but from years of playing
TES games reading the books etc the empire and imperials in general seem to view to nords as nothing more then ignorant peasants
To stupid to rule themselves (yet it's always the nords who have pulled their arses out of the fire) if the imperials showed even an ounce of
Respect over the last half century then maybe I'd give a damn about the empire, to me they strike as having massive superiority complexes

Be that as it may, they do not have the political or military power to help the Redguards even if Ulfric acted in a way that would suggest he'd risk Nord lives for Redguards.

The Empire winning is still in the best views of Hammerfell in my eyes.

Says who? In the event that the Stormcloaks win, he has every Jarl's support.

That's fair, I can see why some people would see it as the only outcome. But do you really think Bethesda would write in two different choices, just to say "Whoops! You chose the wrong side!" when the DLC came out resolving the conflict?

I think he means that he wouldn't have the men or resources. He would just be leaving a Civil War after all....

Not enough to stand against the Thalmor might, and if the empire tries to take back Skyrim it gives the Thalmor a better chance of winning.

And if he stays out of the war in order to fight the weakened victor Skyrim will be a threat to Hammerfells rule of Tamriel, as from what I have seen he is too proud to swear fealty to the the stronger country, possibly leading to another war giving the Thalmor a chance of rebuilding.

I'm not sure I understand this.

Well, sort of true.


Minor Game of Thrones spoilers from Clash of Kings:
I'm not saying all the Imperials would, but I can see some of them doing it. Not everyone is an idealist. Some men just want food on the table.


What Thalmor might? Every book on the Great War announces that the thalmor lost tons of men. Add that with slow elven reproduction times and the Elves are actually hurting more than the Empire is.

That could be a future thing, but in the meantime I don't think Hammerfell cares as much about conquering Tamriel as they do killing the Dominion. That's my opinion though.

I'm saying Bethesda wouldn't have made it a choice to join the Stormcloaks if the Stormcloaks weren't a legitimate choice to combat the Thalmor with.

True. In the latest DLC:
Most likely Bethesda will do something similar with their Thalmor DLC. Despite which side you pick, some things are canon, like perhaps the death of the Mede Empire.

They still have powerful mages and the men they do have have had more experience than the Nords, the Thalmor do have the advantage
In my opinion they wouldn't have seceded if that was the case.

Legitimate? yes, effective? perhaps.

Debatable if you think of the sheer number of Nordic survivors from the Great War, as well as a large part of the combat ready Nords in Skyrim likely would have fought in the CIvil War.

And if Skyrim is independent I don't see it too unlikely as some Nords in the Legion deserting their posts to return home as well further increasing the ranks.

Altmer live for hundreds of years, Nords live for ahundred years if they are lucky.

I'm still standing by the Thalmor having more experience. And with the Empire as allies I'm thinking they invade Skyrim with the Legion and the aim to subjugate rather than quell civil war before outright fighting the Empire.
If they manage to get the Empire to committ their main forces and letting them think they are doing the same they could take Cyrodill and leave the Empire in the North to fight the Stormcloaks and remaining Thalmor in the country and the Valenwood/rest of the Thalmor supporting them.

Wow, really? All Elves live longer than Humans. The snow elves live longer than Nords and utterly decimated them because, despite their age and skill, they feared how fast Humans reproduced. So Ysgramor sailed back to Atmora and returned with five hundred Nords.

Those five hundred nords conquered Skyrim and defeated the ancient, skilled Snow Elves. The Elves might be "skilled" but the Nords are tough, resilient, and determined.


In D&D, Gygax (the guy who invented the game) explained that Elves weren't very active and were prone to procrastination and that was why Elves aren't automatically better than Humans at everything. Don't know if that's the case in the Elder Scrolls or not.

Just a heads up. The Orsimer(Orcs) live to be about 60. They're the shortest lived races of all of Tamriel.(Save maybe an alfiq Khajiit. Though that's speculation)

Yeah but orcs are a different story what with malacath, and the being crappy because malacath was cursed to be crappy, etc.

What did you just say....

One old nord legend pegs Arkay as the reason the orcs live so short. (The nords called him Orkey. He cursed the nords with short life, and Shor sends the curse back and orkey sent it to the orcs instead)

That could just be folktale legend though.