I say you are alone against the tide and continue missing the point

Ok so you can't play a pure necromancer in Skyrim.

The game has certain pure necromancers.

Wolf Queen - Used an army of the undead to take over Skyrim or something like that.

How did she manage to ress an undead aarmy if there is a lack of dead bodies in the game? The lore doesn't fit the actual gameplay at all.

Girl in some mine - Uses dragurs to mine ore. And somehow kill imperials or something(?)

How does she manage to control dragurs if necromancy doesn't involve undead such as dragurs? Makes no sence at all. Necromancy could've been such a great and viable playthough but they force you to use other skills just to survive as a necromancer hybrid? So stupid.

well I foresee Midas adding some nice spells like poison and skeletons and pure health damage spells (AKA magic damage)

atm only way to play necro is having ice some fury/calm magic and raising zombies

That is calling forth spirits from a different plane, not summoning a flesh-and-bone corpse. For necromancy, you NEED a vessel to put magic into so it can be raised. Those calling for spirits and whatnot is you opening a portal from another plane for spirits to materialize in a spirit form

wolf queen-she had an army that she supplemented with the undead and bodies of the defeated, she was cast out royalty and had power over all of solitude while feuding with the empire, she was also proficient in many thief skills like speech and lockpicking

girl-haven't played that part, sounds interesting though, but can't you raise a draugr once its dead again?

Not with your definition of "pure"

Not according to your definition - every necro in Skyrim knows destruction (frost) magic, some alteration and uses daggers.

And? She had tons of dead bodies to use...

I forgot which mine but the girl tries to avenge her husband by killing imperials or something like that.

She for some reason uses necromancy to raise dragurs to mine ore which I have no idea why.

Yet you can't raise dragurs using necromancy in this game.

Te lore and actual gameplay contradict each other.

I think it was featured in Battlespire.
There are few articles on it but theres a couple in The Imperial Library.
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/soul-cairn
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/soul-cairn-and-soul-gems-first-post

Wolf queen raises armies or undead.

...and you can only raise 2 bodies at a time.

Nice.

Potema used an army of undead that she raised from already existing corpses. You say that there were no dead bodies around. Where do you think bodies have gone in the 1st and 2nd eras (prior to Potema)? In the ground. Where she harvested the bodies. And raised them from the dead.

Lu'ah, the Redguard you are referring to, used necromancy to control the Draugr. Where did anyone say that Draugr weren't undead? She may have killed the Draugr in that ruin then raised them to her will. Draugr are cursed with undeath by the gods for serving Alduin and his dragon cult. Maybe the gods' curse supercedes Lu'ahs reanimation, making her have to kill them to rid them of the curse and inflict her own reanimation

Potema was no pure Necromancer! She also used weapons and as queen of Solitude she had an army which consisted of men.

Haven't gotten to the girl in the mine yet, but can't you do kinda control draugr using Illusion? Why are you against using Illusion as a Necromancer? As someone else with your opinion pointed out "Conjuration isn't Necromancy"!

sacrifices for balance and you should know it

kinda weird about the draugr though, I might have to look into it

also if your on PC you can take off the limit, and yes, Potema was on PC

It is a balance issue. If Bethesda let us raise hundreds of dead bodies to fight for us, you would be giddy as a fat kid at Wonka's Chocolate Factory. The other 99% of people would cry that conjuration is too powerful and would moan about the game being so unbalanced.

I didn't say that dragurs weren't undead.

I am saying that she can raise dragurs yet you cannot.

Wolf queen raises armies of undead, yet you can only raise 2.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necromancy

(inb4 "wikipedia is irrelevant and no source of true definitions": neither are you)





Ever crossed your mind that some people are simply more suited at some things than others? A necromancer queen sure as hell can summon more undead than anyone else. And sure as hell you, as Dragonborn, can use shouts better than any other...

Um...ok i guess o_o

By the way,no,you can't "only" have 2 dead bodies,you can take the ritual stone and raise a battlefield.

Tiber Septim became a god. You cannot. Nice... Gameplay =/= Lore...

Op you can't be serious. I use all seven magic skills proficiently and I still get my ass handed to me at times. One line from one skill? That's suicide.

yay, you sound like you settled down!

Yeah the point was,that there is no true definition of Necromancy,you can percieve it as you like.What i complained about for instance,is that i couldn't "summon" skeletons from the grave or animate them.Now if you don't percieve that as necromancy i don't care,the point was not the name.It was how optimal it was as a conjuration tree perk,compared to the atronach path,and/or what it was like before(or what was available from it).

Completely off topic, but I have my personal theory that both Tiber Septim and the Dragonborn are incarnations of the same aedra that came to Nirn, ie Talos

And I have said that there are plausible reasons for both of these.
Lu'ahs reanimation may require ridding the Draugr of their curse for consorting and serving with Alduin. Thus she may need to kill them first, then raise them. You can do the same thing.
Potema raised an army, yes. Do you want to raise an army? Too bad, as the other 10million + Skyrim players would cry "Unbalanced magic system!" if you got what you wanted. It is ridiculous that you cannot (or do not want to) comprehend the fact that Bethesda limits your abilites for balance purposes. It is idiotic to assume anything else.

For the sake of assuming, however, both of those necromancers had YEARS of experience in necromancy (Lu'ah perhaps had 25+ years)

"This" posts are sort of cliche, but...

^That

There is no way to play the Elder Scrolls using one single skill or school of magic, if you haven't learned that by now you just haven't got the hint

I don't care about people crying about balance.

Beth said you can play how you want.

I want my character to raise an army of the undead.

If the lore says someone else was able to do it, why aren't you?

The lore makes referece to spears, there are no spears in the game.

The lore should = the gameplay

You can play how you want, it just wouldn't be effective.