Yes. Without dropping a blatant spoiler if control of a town falls from one faction's hands and into the other you can ask some of the inhabitants how this has changed their lives and livelyhood and they'll tell you.

Az

Touché Azrael, Touché.

I find this to be very true. BUT you never feel like anything really happened once that quest line is over, which makes the maturity factor dwindle imho. With the next installment maybe it will have been huge and have had an effect, but as of right now, as mature as it is, it feels way weak. I love rping, most of skyrim has been in my head believe it or not, but having to add maturity to a mature questline by DnD esque thought alone? sadness.

I honestly just want them to allow the removal of death animation blocks.. they kill animations that are hidden *but already designed* are far better than the crap they gave us.. decapitations and all.. the game should be on the level of realism similar to Spartacus (minus they insane amounts of spare blood)....

war is violent. i want the violence i paid for..

No that's me too. i didn't have to many problems with bugs at first but once they came it felt like an endless cascade

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Ratings don't come from them either. In the US it's the ESRB (Entertainment Software Ratings Board) - they rate games just like the MPAA rates movies. And just like there's a wide range of things that can get a movie rated R, there's a wide variation in "M" content.

(There are similar rating groups in other countries..... Skyrim got 15+ from Australia, 18+ from Europe, 15 in Britain, 16 in Germany, 18+ in Japan. Obviously, raters in a variety of cultures think that it's not a kiddie game.)

I have removed a number of posts. Discussing restricted topics (they are listed in the forum rules) and dragging porm into the thread caused a lot of posts to go away. Whatever the ESRB rating of the game is these forums have a 13+ rating and your post content has to reflect that.

I agree with the OP. The last Witcher game is a perfect example of a realistic, dark and gritty fantasy world. Enslavement, murder, racism, political tensions, [censored] and violence are all present and not sugar coated or just hinted at like in Skyrim. In Witcher it is actually happening and you can't avoid it which makes it's world seem more alive and realistic.

This is Skyrim, the next installment for the Hello Kitty franchise.

Agreeing with OP. This should be rated PG13 if anything. They could've done a lot more with the rating it was given.

Thankfully, not every fantasy RPG (and novel series) is getting dragged into that modern cliche.

"could've done a lot more"

great phrase choice to describe skyrim

Agreed. There was a really good description of Skyrim made by someone awhile back saying that "Skyrim is a vast ocean three inches deep". That describes Skyrim perfectly.

The only defining characteristic of "Maturity" by any psychological means is the ability to perceive empathy, which means to be mature, you have to know how to disseminate and form consensus of opinion.

Not surprisingly, most modern psychologists agree that upwards of 82% of humans never reach mental "Maturity".


As for more on topic discussion, I really don't believe The Witcher I or II serve as examples of mature gaming. If anything, they're patently immature, like an American Pie movie, or a Call of Duty game. Fallout and Mass Effect are much better at actually dealing with Mature themes in a mature way suitable for intellectual growth that "omg elf slaves and boobiez lolz" just aren't.

Just my two drakes though.

Right. Just imagine my disappointment when I noticed that under "Skyrim Mods" there was a stickied thread by the name of "advlt/Mature Content", but it had none.

Anyway, I consider maturity to about much more more than what is covered by various rating systems, and focusing on things like that I find to be a pretty immature concept of maturity. In general, I find there to very little if any at all maturity in the gameplay of Skyrim, which is so clearly targeted at an immature audience.

War never changes.

I was with you up until the wishing you were a kid part. I've no desire to turn back the clock--or for a darker Skyrim.

I agree with OP. While a game doesn't need excessive obscenities to be successful, a game like skyrim definitely needs a little more than most.


More swearing in dialogue couldnt have hurt too. I mean, the worst they said in the game was when Ulfric called the Thalmor woman a "b****".

You know, everyone forgets that in a fantasy world, you can invent or subtract real words as you please. The swears that we consider 'hardcoe' can be extinct words or just nonexistent. [censored] for example, appeared in a thousand year old text and never again.

PG-13 makes way more money for films in the US than R-rated does. It's a formula.

EA started cheesing it's way to "TEEN" ratings in Medal of Honor games by removing blood. Yet you can still shoot people in the head and sell it to 13 year olds ROFL

The entire ratings system is a JOKE and designed to please conservative hypocrites who are hooking up with prosttutes while married. But they can e-rage against homosixuals and such.

I repeat, a realistic SHOOTING GAME, can easily get a TEEN rating simply by not having blood. It's stupid.

But everyone does it, everyone goes for TEEN rating for the $ale$ potential.

False cliches are false. I had a relatively interesting childhood with the standard ups and downs, and I never once wish I could go back to being a kid.

"Foul mouthed pormography" sounds like a specific niche fetish. Despite heavy propaganda to the contrary, nudity and advlt themes are not "immature/bad/evil".

The primary difference for most people regarding childhood and advlt life is responsibility and freedom. Sadly, many children in the world grow up with the burden of advlt responsibilities before they should.

Blood is what gets you the "mature rating" as I mentioned above. If the blood were green and the swords were lasers, it would get a TEEN rating.

I'm actually glad that at least this RPG doesn't come with too much nudity, I always hated the Witcher for that. Not that I'm afraid of "advlt" content, but it often seems like te devs have just learned about six and are really thrilled to show everyone that they are now big boys who like boobs and don't throw toys at girls anymore.

I liked Mass Effect for example for its topics like racism, not because the beastiality with blue fish women. Skyrim could need more brutality for the war theme, but I'm glad nothing is labled as good or bad. Why is it bad in ME if you're a pro-human Shepard? Because the devs say so, TES hasn't got that problem. But I agree tgat the people could be more miserable, the civil war theme is just too happy now.

You're kidding right?

what this game needs isn't naked people running around. it lacks the depth i was expecting. i did like 2 quests for the companions and now i'm in the circle? that's a real lack a depth.