Right.... Because this isn't mature:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Real_Barenziah,_Part_IV

Or this: "After I kill you, I will [censored] your corpse. Don't worry. I'll be gentle." - Anhaedra

Or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=R6S6D46Mp3o#t=33s

These: http://www.imperial-library.info/node/1259/

The chapels and Nymphs in Daggerfall, completely nvde.

Like to comment on that?

Those were in previous games. Your point is irrelevant

Edit: Nevermind, thought you were using that to say Skyrim is mature.

Yes, but those were from the time before they became popular. No way they'd get away with that in Skyrim, and they know it.

So everyone is born with an underwear and children just appear out of thin air. "Racism" consist of "You'll make a fine rug, cat"-like comments and making game content unavailable due to player's choices is a big no-no

I am missing some of the darker side of things, but honestly I'm glad all the girls arent nearly naked *except a few times (cough) bar wenches (cough)* and the language, although there, is pretty minimal. I would like some really touchy quest subjects, but meh, I'm glad it's no GTA.

Skyrim should've had the maturity and atmosphere of my second favourite game of all time, Dragon Age:Origins. DA:O really showed how elves were treated by society while in Skyrim you hardly see any sign of dark elf discrimination in Windhelm because the gray quarter is so damn tiny and there are only 5 dark elves in the whole city. Being able to buy a wench in a tavern would be cool as well

That was mostly limited to the city elf and castless dwarf origins, though. There wasn't much of that in the rest of the game. Well, except that slaver part near the end. Boy i enjoyed gutting him. Even with a human character But there was no one i enjoyed killing in Skyrim. All just the same faceless mass of evil because evil. Even Al was just another dragon

Related to the first sentence, why are there no slavers in Skyrim? Sure, slavery is illegal, but so it is in the real world and that doesn't stop criminals. There are some bandit and necromancer lairs with cages, but all their occupants are already dead.

The series has been successful since Arena.
This.

Witcher nails the mature label although I don't know if I want to see the Dragonborn casting Fus Ro Dah on every tavern wench that he/she sees. Skyrim definitely could've benefited from a more mature game, not just the content but the story aspect. I'm not saying we need nudity or stronger language, just a more mature atmosphere and I know that Beth strength is in it's world building. Will it ever happen, no because Beth is a giant baby. Babies are cute but nothing more then that. Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Skyrim are excellent games however their maturity is lacking.

Fallout 3 might be the most mature title out of the 3 but in comparasion to it's cousin New Vegas, it pales greatly in comparasion from a maturity standpoint. New Vegas explored avenues that Beth was too scared to go with in Fallout 3. We had Black Widow in Fallout 3 but no Cherhez La Femme or Confirmed Bachlor, New Vegas had it and you could easily ignore it. We'll see what Beth does with Fallout 4. I'm not optimistic it'll be like Fallout New Vegas in terms of maturity, it'll probably be more like Fallout 3 which isn't bad but not good. Only thing FO3 has over New Vegas is it's open world.

If we had something more attuned to Fallout NV, Game of Thrones, or The Witcher lite, I'd be happy. Not just tone and atmosphere, but story too.

I'm not asking for [censored] and cleavage galore, or a cuss every two sentences, but Skyrim is a dark place that's not shy towards the reality of things. For example, there is (of a kind) sacred prostitution in the Temple of Dibella, tavern girls (and guys assuming if the clothes weren't a reskin) wear very reveling clothes, and six in general isn't an issue AKA you can marry whoever you want and no one bats an eye. It's not graphic, but it's mature. It doesn't shy from advlt themes.

Nords live lives that are short and full of passion. They're prone to bouts of tears and vein-popping fury alike as they approach life's hardships with a grim and booming laugh. I don't get this in Skyrim. They're just more rugged versions of Imperials. What happened to the crude, honest, and hard-partying, hard-working Nord?

There is also the issue of racism, which is a theme in the game. Dunmer and to a certain extent, Altmer and other races are victims of persecution and bigotry, though it's mostly referred to. War also has a dark side; child soldiers, losers taken as slaves, civilian casualties, and so on. We should see elven families found dead in the streets filled with anti-Thalmor messages and Stormcloaks keeping imperial Nords as servants on the grounds that they aren't "nordic enough". On that note, the Thalmor should be outright vicious. Alluding to torture and very racist attitudes, but not showing them, doesn't help paint the villan. Politics is a dirty business, yet all the Jarls seem to be fine in their thrones without worrying that their son is going to poison them for the throne.

Also, the story is too vanilla. Decisions you make are somewhat black and white with enough justification, and the results are easy to see and maneuver. There needs to be more ambiguity and lasting effects on your actions.

The content is dark enough already. It doesn't splash blood or boobs in your face, it's more understated than that, but many of the situations and story lines are quite cruel and dire. At times I thought they could go for the emotional jugular in certain scenes and didn't, but you don't need to be graphic to be mature.

2 words: Limited Technology

What's so "mature" about FNV, ignoring the fact that that word is being horribly mutilated in this topic?

They want the TES series to be "everyone" friendly. Being that it is their flagship series, I don't blame them.

Just ask Nintendo - it worked well for them, and has successfully integrated mature games into their existing "children's games" business model. FO3/NV is Beth's attempt at this integration.

They use the "F" word. Plus, there are homosixuals.

Apparently, doing these things, or splicing some briasts into the game makes it "mature".

FNV has more mature content than the f word and gay, it also has a mature way of treating the player and make sure the player's decisions matter.

Enumerate them. Past "Faction X attacks you on sight", what really changes in the Wasteland...?

Not really, if F:NV had no swearing or heads/limbs exploding it would be around Morrowind level mature content.

There should be a house of earthly brothels. The Hist would approve that.

Seeing as a brothel is already a building, wouldn't that be the complex of earthly brothels? or the Brothel Plaza?

Yes JagarTharn12, the Hist approve! One building for each race, although I suspect there would be a long line in front of Argonians and nobody @ Orcs.

If you mean the necromancer, I think he has some unique comments about your (female) character while he fights you. I did that dungeon quite a time ago. It's http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111211171746/elderscrolls/images/thumb/1/19/Yngvild_Map.jpg/707px-Yngvild_Map.jpg.
You are sent there on a Misc. quest for Vekel in the Thieves Guild, but you can enter and clear it any time. (the quest is for the guy's journals)

When I think of the land of Skyrim, I imagine it dark, violent and gritty. It didn't live up to the savagery my mind was expecting from the homeland of the Nords, but nevertheless it is an awesome game. Some six, more "advlt" language, a tad more violence and some morally heavy choices wouldn't have gone astray but.

You want another Planescape: Torment. I don't. I prefer Planescape: Torment to be a unique experience that has left memories and even scars for life, one and only. I don't want Skyrim or any other TES chapter or any other game to overlap Planscape: Torment experience.

Anyways, Skyim has a lot of mature content, it's all in the subtlety. Forced gore kill cams = childish. Subtle stories and carefully decortated places with quite clear implications that still can be missed out by a less mature player = mature. There is a lot of death, pain, suffering as well as some sixual content (Haelga, books (although from previous TES instalments)), just that it's not being shoved in player's face (unlike the stupid killcams that one can't avoid), and that's what I love the most about Skyrim.

Lack of good stories, suspense, emotional attachment, choices and consequences etc is another story, but it doesn't fall under maturity category. Skyrim's quests and dialogues are shallow, but there are many stories told by different means and in different ways than the usual dialogues.

Your choice to support either the Empire or Nord Independence is one of the most mature plotlines you'll find in a game.

Your decisions will have a huge impact on practically everyone in Skyrim and shape the face of Tamriel itself with far reaching consequences for the rich and poor alike.

I think you're confusing "maturity" with "pushing the boundries of acceptability and taste".

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But do you witness any of these changes whilst playng the game? We want choices that will shape the game as we play it.