Layout of perk trees : V - Skyrim

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:56 am

Yeah.. Even though I prefer Persuasion I think it would have been better if Bribery split off into two paths.

Exactly. Get bribery then pick persuasion or intimidation... no need for both, imo.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:51 am

Hmmm... poisons last for twice as many "hits" when applied to a weapon? .... Do hits=seconds or do hits=attacks?

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:11 am

No, no; Allure is just a bonus. If you pick up Haggler you'll still get the buy, and sell bonuses from the opposite six. I think Allure is just in addition to that, so its only really useful if you're planing on maxing Haggler.

But, you need Allure before you can actually open up trading options, unless making it a prerequisite for the Inventory-opening (Merchant and Fence) and Investment perks are a mistake.

Also I agree; the Light Armor tree is kind of trash.

It would have been a lot better if they'd just ditched the restriction on "Full Light Armor Suits"

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:58 pm

Nice sig Hotsauce, mine would be

Blodhgarm. Imperial. 20. Allegiance to the Empire. One Handed. Heavy Armour. Archery. Destruction. Restoration. Smithing.

These perks are actually very exciting, the game was losing some of its gloss for me, but now, its got it all back. :tes:

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:56 am

Disappointed in the Conjuration tree.

I just want to focus on undead spirits and reanimation. I don't want to have to perk my atronaches to get 2 reanimated zombies

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:18 am

Disappointed in the Conjuration tree.

I just want to focus on undead spirits and reanimation. I don't want to have to perk my atronaches to get 2 reanimated zombies

... You don't have to. They are two branches to the same destination, only one is required... hopefully.

» Mon May 14, 2012 4:04 pm

But, you need Allure before you can actually open up trading options, unless making it a prerequisite for the Inventory-opening (Merchant and Fence) and Investment perks are a mistake.

Where did you hear this? Because I'm fairly certain that this isn't true. Allure is just a bonus kind of like the black widow perk, or lady killer; well.. Maybe those might not be good examples, since they were the "I win" buttons for persuasion, but I believe the principles still apply.

... You don't have to. They are two branches to the same destination, only one is required... hopefully.

You are correct.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:00 am

Disappointed in the Conjuration tree.

I just want to focus on undead spirits and reanimation. I don't want to have to perk my atronaches to get 2 reanimated zombies

You can take the other path you know... The one that is all about Necromancy...

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:02 am

People are whining because some perks require the full set of armor? :facepalm:

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:14 am

http://i.imgur.com/MHh4Z.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1wVaJ.jpg

These look better than the pics you have for pickpocket and speech.

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:11 am

Thank you for the info!

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:31 am

People are whining because some perks require the full set of armor? :facepalm:

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:05 am

Ok, final trees for Alchemy and Pickpocket ready in first post. Now we have them all so we can finally begin planning our builds :celebration:

Thanks go to (details at the bottom of first post):
Dinaminjo, Sammuthegreat and kelset :foodndrink:

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:02 am

People are whining because some perks require the full set of armor? :facepalm:

I know people should never comment on bad game design, they should just accept it.

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:30 am

Combat

NEWTwo-handed http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/821/twohanded.png/
Heavy Armor http://i.imgur.com/SqCiX.jpg
Block http://i.imgur.com/N2PgW.jpg
Onehanded http://i.imgur.com/Cvs3K.jpg
Archery http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/217/archer2k.png/
Smithing http://i.imgur.com/ZZhwL.jpg

Magic

NEWIllusion http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/573/illusion.png/
NEWRestoration http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/683/restorationu.png/
NEWConjuration http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/28/conjuration.png/
Enchanting http://i.imgur.com/DYbiS.jpg
Destruction http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/destr.png/
Alteration http://imgur.com/Vg1Ly

Stealth
NEWAlchemy http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/39/alchemyt.png/
NEWPickpocket http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/714/pickpocketn.png/
NEWSpeech http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/210/speechw.png/
Sneak http://i.imgur.com/XreS4.jpg
Light Armor http://i.imgur.com/JGju6.jpg
Lockpicking http://i.imgur.com/QjVeJ.jpg

Note : I have made pics of 7 trees but the credit for other trees and raw data itself goes to :

One handed, Smithing, Block, Heavy Armor, Light Armor, Sneak, Lockpick, Enchanting, Alteration ---> user : "herpedyderp" at reddit ( digged up by SammuTheGreat )
Archery, Restoration, Conjuration, Speech, Two-handed, Pickpocket, Alchemy ---> user: "supo" at gamefaq ( digged up by Dinaminjo )
Illusion---> digged up by kelset
Destruction : me

Cool...thanks :thumbsup:

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:02 am

I know people should never comment on bad game design, they should just accept it.

Commenting on bad game design is one thing, [censored]ing because they don't want a helmet 'ruining' the appearance of their character is another. Vanity comes with a price after all.

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:05 am

Ok, final trees for Alchemy and Pickpocket ready in first post. Now we have them all so we can finally begin planning our builds :celebration:

Thanks go to (details at the bottom of first post):
Dinaminjo, Sammuthegreat and kelset :foodndrink:

Well done!

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:53 pm

Why even have separate one handed and two handed skills if you are going to make the perk trees almost identical? Yeesh you would think they could have come up with some different perks for the 2 skills outside of 1 power attack and the 2 dual wielding perks.

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:42 am

Thank you op, you finally helped me plan a build, I'm so glad I can do this ahead of time before its too late, I got all the skills I wanted and then some

I hope after the game is release we will see some planners on the web like there are for games like WoW.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:17 am

Dinaminjo, Ranolph, and Kelset; thanks a lot.

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:04 pm

http://i.imgur.com/MHh4Z.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1wVaJ.jpg

These look better than the pics you have for pickpocket and speech.

I see that herpedyderp updated the trees. Skills requrements and Two handed + Alchemy also. Great. Links updated :thumbsup:

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:39 pm

Commenting on bad game design is one thing, [censored]ing because they don't want a helmet 'ruining' the appearance of their character is another. Vanity comes with a price after all.

Rules screwing someone because they like to customize their appearance is bad game design. Not having armor on your head is a big enough penalty in itself, creating a rule to double screw them is just crap design. It has nothing to do with balance, just designers wanting to force their aesthetics on the players.

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:53 am

Where did you hear this? Because I'm fairly certain that this isn't true. Allure is just a bonus kind of like the black widow perk, or lady killer; well.. Maybe those might not be good examples, since they were the "I win" buttons for persuasion, but I believe the principles still apply.

Well, when I looked at the perk tree posted, it put Allure as the first perk on the "Merchant" branch... hopefully it's just an offshoot mistaken-for-prereq.

People are whining because some perks require the full set of armor? :facepalm:

The complaints are about having to wear a full suit of Light armor - Unless Light Armor is defined as "Anything that isn't Heavy Armor" (Robes, clothes, empty item slots, etc.) for the purpose of those perks, we are more encumbered and tire easier in our birthday suits than a full suit of Glass or Hardened Leather Armor.

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:33 pm

Well, when I looked at the perk tree posted, it put Allure as the first perk on the "Merchant" branch... hopefully it's just an offshoot mistaken-for-prereq.

Oh so that's what you meant, I got it. Though the "Merchant" perk means you can sell anything to anyone for example to can sell armor to a potion merchant, or books to a jeweler.

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:58 am

Oh so that's what you meant, I got it. Though the "Merchant" perk means you can sell anything to anyone for example to can sell armor to a potion merchant, or books to a jeweler.

Right... but have you ever seen an attractive Used Car Salesman?