Argonians certainly aren't the weakest. The Argonians were the only group to successfully push back the Daedric incursions during the Oblivion Crisis, outside of the CoC/Martin Septim. As the story goes, they charged into Oblivion with such force and might that the Daedra actually closed their gates to prevent them from being overrun by the Argonians.

Everyone else was pretty much getting owned by the Daedra until Martin closed the gates. Skyrim, Morrowind, and Summerset Isles in particular were ravaged. I can't put the Argonians at the bottom in good faith. Even though they don't have the heroes (that we know of, at least) the Dunmer or Nords had, the typical Argonian is easily a match for any other race. They also survived centuries to neglect from the Empire and subjugation by the Dunmer and came out stronger then ever.

TES lore is riddled with failed invasions. For instance, a massive Nordic invasion led by Wulfharth himself was routed by the Dunmer even before the Tribunal gained their powers.

Perhaps the Dunmer should be considered due to the number of major invasions they've repelled (from a variety of sources to boot).

Argonians sadly have been revealed as the weakest race...while they are no longer slaves to other mortal races they are still slaves to the hist.

Argonians sadly have been revealed as the weakest race...while they are no longer slaves to other mortal races they are still slaves to the hist.

TES lore is riddled with failed invasions. For instance, a massive Nordic invasion led by Wulfharth himself was routed by the Dunmer even before the Tribunal gained their powers.

Perhaps the Dunmer should be considered due to the number of major invasions they've repelled (from a variety of sources to boot).

So far, it hasn't really worked against them. It's mostly been to their benefit. I have a feeling that if the Hist fall, it'll be because of our actions in a future game, and it likely won't help the Argonions, it'll probably hurt them (like breaking the Tribunal did to Morrowind).

Yes, but unlike the Argonians, Nords have had many successful military campaigns as well as failed ones. Have the argonians invaded anyone else?

Yes, but unlike the Argonians, Nords have had many successful military campaigns as well as failed ones. Have the argonians invaded anyone else?

The only people they invaded were the Dunmer, and that was with the Hist controlling them and after Vvardenfell pretty much exploded.

The only people they invaded were the Dunmer, and that was with the Hist controlling them and after Vvardenfell pretty much exploded.

They've invaded Cyrodiil and Morrowind before that. The Cyrodiil campaign was destroyed and the Morrowind campaign was mostly unsuccessful (i.e. they acquired some southern lands but lost overall).

They are considered. I easily put them in my top 3.
The Dunmer had champions of their own in that battle. The son of Azura was there, and it is said that Dagoth Ur deceived the Nords and forced them into a trap.

Dagoth and the Tribunal were there, but as I was corrected on earlier, they had not come into contact with the Heart at that point. They were more than a normal Dunmer, but still shells of what they would later become. The Five Songs of Wulfharth is a mess, though. It's hard to take anything written in it for granted.

So in the end, even with the Hist, they can't really take control of anyone?

So in the end, even with the Hist, they can't really take control of anyone?

They're not the best, yes. They're pretty much survivalists. Who else can altogether resist diseases, poisons, and breath underwater naturally? With that and experience, they make for some of the best special operatives in Tamriel. As a raw military force, I don't think they're quite as experienced as the Nords or Imperials.

Not really. But again, the Nords are much more aggressive beyond their borders. The Argonians haven't tried very often. The Khajiit don't go beyond their borders either, though that may be because they lack the infrastructure necessary to organize a campaign.

That is speculation. We have no solid proof that he was a Dragon cultist. It'a possible, but not proven. From what we've seen in Skyrim, the Dragons subjugated the Nords. They likely wouldn't take much interest in their goal to fight the Falmer, as it isn't their concern. Most Nords were their slaves, the ambitions of slaves most likely wouldn't really spur the Dragons to join the fight, they'd more likely try to quell it.

All pre-Dragon war Nords(Atmorans) were Dragon Cultists, it was their core religion. This is fact.

The Khajiit have fought back and forth with Valenwood.

All pre-Dragon war Nords(Atmorans) were Dragon Cultists, it was their core religion. This is fact.


And no, just because of a few avatars of Shor =/= all Nords are omega powerful. They are average just like every other mortal race on Nirn with certain exceptional individuals. They happen to have the most due to being Lorkhan's favorites.