I guess. Oblivion is a vast place, though. I think that Daedric Katanas do and should exist, but that they certainly shouldn't be a part of any leveled/random item list.

If you look at the design of the Ebony Blade, it's a perfect example of a Daedric Katana.

EDIT: Also, wow I'm good at derailing these threads. Sorry.

After 12 threads in less than half as many days, these appear to finally be slowing down.
I'm going to bring back the champion list do far, because I liked it.
Nord: Jurgen Windcaller
Altmer: Mannimarco King of Worms
Dunmer: Divayth Fyr
Redguard: Frandar Hunding
Bosmer: Camoran Usurper
Orsimer: Gortwog
Breton: Nulfaga

Bosmer weakest with Bretons being strongest. Dragons being weakest (since they are all dead except one) with Ka Po'Tun being strongest because they are tiger people and have a giant dragon for a leader.

It's not more of a weakness than for races who burry/incinerate their dead. They eat by tradition/law, not to survive. I fail to see this as a weakness. Gross, yes, weakness, not really.

If it's a weakness, it's a minor one to be sure.
I don't think forced cannibalism is what makes the weak. I think their pacifist philosophies and lack of any real skill in combat (other than archery) are what make them weak. They can defend their homeland, but that's about the extent of what they're capable of.

I still say Dunmer for master race.

MK gave a list of the 500. Pelinal was on that list, along with the names of Dragons.

I have no arguments for Pelinal. He was there. But I'd imagine that if Dragons fought alongside the companions, there'd be at least one mention of it in the lore. There isn't.

Also, do you have a link to the list? It sounds interesting. I know MK's word isn't canon until it's put into a game or confirmed by Bethesda, but much of it is regarded as such anyway.

Orcs are weak as a race? lol The combined forces of Hammerfell and high Rock could not 100% defeat a city-state that is Orsinium. Now imagine if the Orcs had the population and resources of an entire province like Hammerfell. It would be scary to say the least.

True, but they don't, which is probably a strike against them in a lot of people's books.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/five-hundred-mighty-companions-or-thereabouts-ysgramor-returned



EDIT: I warn thee, it is not easy to read.

The forces of Hammerfell and High Rock have a long history of kicking the crap outa the Orcs for sport. Although I agree, if they had the numbers of the humans, they'd be a much bigger threat. Too bad they don't.

Thanks! Some of those were freaking funny! "Perrif and Perriff and Perriff and Perriff and..."

I admit I only skimmed, but I saw no Dragon names, only Nordic/Atmoran.

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Nevermind, some near the bottom could go either way.

For reference here is Pelinal: "Pelinaalilargus the Pragmatist"

Just don't ask me why his name is written llike that... I honestly don't know, but I'm sure some of the Lore-buffs know.

Those dragon-like names could be Dragon Priests, and Pelinal was a robotic sorceror. So Pelinaalilargus could be his "dragon" name?

No joke about that being a hard read but is seems there are 22 Dragons listed.

I'm gonna go with dragon priests.
I feel like we'd have been told if the dragons had been involved.

As for Pelinal, I don't take the "future robot" stuff as lore. It's only one of MK's many incoherent tidbits that he so greatly enjoys.

Fair enough, but how would anyone truly, genuinely know the truth of the 500? Hell the Dragon War was considered a myth... until the dragons returned then people started paying attention. So we can't rule that out as a possiblity either. It explains how "500" were able to defeat the entire Falmer "empire" logically. They had some supernatural beings, like Pelinal, and even a few dragons.


EDIT: And since Ysgramor and his kin were Dragon cultists it makes more sense that the Dragons would aid their subjects against a greater threat(Falmer).

Cause we have tons of lore tidbits that say it happened.

I don't think they would've needed Dragons. The Nords of old were about as powerful a people as we've ever seen. Pelinal and Ysgramor alone could probably take on the modern day Dominion.

Argonians certainly aren't the weakest. The Argonians were the only group to successfully push back the Daedric incursions during the Oblivion Crisis, outside of the CoC/Martin Septim. As the story goes, they charged into Oblivion with such force and might that the Daedra actually closed their gates to prevent them from being overrun by the Argonians.

Everyone else was pretty much getting owned by the Daedra until Martin closed the gates. Skyrim, Morrowind, and Summerset Isles in particular were ravaged. I can't put the Argonians at the bottom in good faith. Even though they don't have the heroes (that we know of, at least) the Dunmer or Nords had, the typical Argonian is easily a match for any other race. They also survived centuries to neglect from the Empire and subjugation by the Dunmer and came out stronger then ever.

That is speculation. We have no solid proof that he was a Dragon cultist. It'a possible, but not proven. From what we've seen in Skyrim, the Dragons subjugated the Nords. They likely wouldn't take much interest in their goal to fight the Falmer, as it isn't their concern. Most Nords were their slaves, the ambitions of slaves most likely wouldn't really spur the Dragons to join the fight, they'd more likely try to quell it.

Only in Black Marsh, other wet areas, or if being controlled by the hist. And even then they're just mindless attacking freaks. Weren't they under the influence of the hist when the oblivion crisis went down?

I think their failed invasion of Morrowind is both a testament to Dark Elf strength and Argonian flaws, considering Morrowind was so devastated when they attacked.

Note: These threads seem to finally be slowing down a bit.

The idea that dragons had anything to do with that invasion seems pretty silly. Seems highly unlikely to me.

Good point in bringing him up. He claims that the Nords did it. If Dragons played a part, he surely would've said something.

TES lore is riddled with failed invasions. For instance, a massive Nordic invasion led by Wulfharth himself was routed by the Dunmer even before the Tribunal gained their powers.

Perhaps the Dunmer should be considered due to the number of major invasions they've repelled (from a variety of sources to boot).