Ysgramor wasn't a shezzarine, and he was a boss. Same for Jurgen windcaller, and other various tongues. They also had very skilled weapon smiths. According to the fall of the snow prince, that is what contributed to their success against the snow elves. Nords are legit conquerors. The only reason their empire stopped being an empire is because of the war of succession after their king was killed by the wild hunt. During that time they had parts of Cyrodiil, highrock and Morrowind.

The Dragon cult was brought to Skyrim by the Atmorans. The Skyrim Dragon Priests were the ones who started to rule with an iron-fist leading to the Dragon Wars. Atmoran Dragon cult were at peace. Ysgramor was part of the Atmoran Dragon cult. Hence, he was considered a Dragon Priest by some.


Dragon Priest =/= tyrannical ruler. This was not until after the Nords settled in Skyrim.

Where did I say they are a little exceptional? Perhaps you should re-read my post.

They did, but little territory was gained/lost. Even when either side had the upper hand, major conquest on land never seemed to be a major goal. There is little information though, so it is hard to tell for sure what the two sides' intentions were.

It wasn't the Dragon cult until it came to Skyrim. Before that, dragons (Alduin) were simply one of the god figures on their pantheon. They weren't THE head of the religion.

Indeed, they are some of those exceptional individuals we know of. Other individuals, like Wulfharth were also exceptional, but for different reasons.


Let's not open this can of worms again...

I misread part of it. My apologies. My other points still stand, however.

They also had very skilled weapon smiths. According to the fall of the snow prince, that is what contributed to their success against the snow elves. Nords are legit conquerors. The only reason their empire stopped being an empire is because of the war of succession after their king was killed by the wild hunt. During that time they had parts of Cyrodiil, highrock and Morrowind.

This^ Bretons at one time controlled nearly a quarter of Tamriel before slowly losing the land they conquered. (Minus High Rock for obvious reasons.)

Doesn't help matters that the Nords have the Skyforge.

I know, but the dragons were only one of several animal totems whereas you stated the dragon cult was THE Ur-Nord religion. That's like saying the Cyrodiils only worship Akatosh when he is only one of their pantheon. An inaccuracy of emphasis.

The Skyforge is probably the most overrated thing mentioned in Skyrim.

It's definitely a plus, but not a necessity.

I would say that it's not that overrated. It doesn't even get much mention.

Well, many blacksmiths do mention it along with Eorlund Gray-Mane. Can't say it's anything special, then again, it's the only forge different from others and makes unique Skyforge steel.

I thought you meant on these forums. Well it only really gets mentioned by a few blacksmiths, which makes sense. To us, it's nothing special. To a blacksmith, it's legendary.

This. It wasn't the Dragon cult. Dragons were just one part of the Nordic pantheon.

TAMRIEL

Superior race: Imperial

We Cyrodiils have created the greatest and most powerful empire known to man, kept it going to thousands of years and kept unlimited powah over Tamriel for over 4 centuries. We've transformed the heretical elven arts of the Ayleids into a force of good, with our Empire boasting great architecture, culture, military and scientific advances.

Last but most important: We've developed a highly modern standard of treating people of other races and cultures as equals instead of inferior. Solidarity and friendship between all races of our civilization is what keeps the Empire strong.

Lesser race: Khajiit

I can't stand these dirty, drug-addicted house cats! Yuck!

AKAVIR

Superior race: Tsaesci

They killed Uriel V!

Simple logic proves that if they managed to beat our glorious Empire (which is awesome), the Tsaesci must be on an even higher level of awesomeness.

Lesser race: Tang Po

Freaking monkies, man!

Amen to this. Although, I disagree with the Khajiit part. I believe they're the lesser race, not because I can't stand them or they're all about the Skooma, but they have received a lot of punishment throughout their history. Be it from the Bosmer, slavery, and overall, being distrusted and hated by all other races. I pity them, as they're one of my favorite races.

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